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Why was a man who was suffering from psychotic delusions not detained after allegedly waving a 30-inch knife and attempting to assault an arresting officer in Primrose Gardens, north- west London in May 2015?
He later skipped bail and was allowed to travel back to Nigeria, only to return late to attend court.
He was released without charges, since there wasn't enough evidence? Surely waving a 30-inch knife and attempting to assault an arresting officer was evidence enough?
And now he has murdered yet only been charged with manslaughter, surely the charge should have been Murder?
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He later skipped bail and was allowed to travel back to Nigeria, only to return late to attend court.
He was released without charges, since there wasn't enough evidence? Surely waving a 30-inch knife and attempting to assault an arresting officer was evidence enough?
And now he has murdered yet only been charged with manslaughter, surely the charge should have been Murder?
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//no-one dies of rickets, //
how long will you give that one, Andy?
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This case is one where everyone has been let down , whether through being overstretched or missing something vital who can tell.
one interesting statement in the article caught my eye........
//The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) previously said that even if the earlier charges against Nandap had been upheld, he would still have been released on bail.//
Tragedy all round.
one interesting statement in the article caught my eye........
//The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) previously said that even if the earlier charges against Nandap had been upheld, he would still have been released on bail.//
Tragedy all round.
I think this case highlights a number of failures all round.
//He was released without charges, since there wasn't enough evidence? Surely waving a 30-inch knife and attempting to assault an arresting officer was evidence enough?//
You would have thought so. I couldnt possibly say why the charges were dropped, but for them to have been dropped at a case review stage indicates to me that the evidence was very shaky indeed. It is generally the case that the police and CPS take assault on a PC as very serious indeed and will bring any case possible to court. The additional use of a weapon would have compounded this.
However, because the charges had been dropped, there was no reason they could have held him or subjected him to a Court Order requiring hospital treatment. If there had been a history of mental health issues (which it appears to have been the case), the correct approach would have been to have him sectioned. Distinct lack of "joined up" thinking/acting here. The problem is, it seems to me that his psychosis was drug induced rather than as a result of mental inbalance which is why it is possible he has slipped through the system. No consolation to that poor man's widow though.
Given his psychosis was drug induced I agree he should have been charged with murder. It is entirely possible he was but the CPS accepted a plea to manslaughter on the grounds of diminshed responsibility. I imagine they would only have done this on receipt of psychiatric evidence and probably also an indication from the Judge as to the likely sentence. In the event the conviction basis has made no difference to the sentence which is an indefinite hospital order.
//He was released without charges, since there wasn't enough evidence? Surely waving a 30-inch knife and attempting to assault an arresting officer was evidence enough?//
You would have thought so. I couldnt possibly say why the charges were dropped, but for them to have been dropped at a case review stage indicates to me that the evidence was very shaky indeed. It is generally the case that the police and CPS take assault on a PC as very serious indeed and will bring any case possible to court. The additional use of a weapon would have compounded this.
However, because the charges had been dropped, there was no reason they could have held him or subjected him to a Court Order requiring hospital treatment. If there had been a history of mental health issues (which it appears to have been the case), the correct approach would have been to have him sectioned. Distinct lack of "joined up" thinking/acting here. The problem is, it seems to me that his psychosis was drug induced rather than as a result of mental inbalance which is why it is possible he has slipped through the system. No consolation to that poor man's widow though.
Given his psychosis was drug induced I agree he should have been charged with murder. It is entirely possible he was but the CPS accepted a plea to manslaughter on the grounds of diminshed responsibility. I imagine they would only have done this on receipt of psychiatric evidence and probably also an indication from the Judge as to the likely sentence. In the event the conviction basis has made no difference to the sentence which is an indefinite hospital order.
///Back in the 'good old days' they strung up savage crazy killers such as him. ///
May I direct you to this, AOG....?
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May I direct you to this, AOG....?
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AOG - //But to no avail, more concern is being shown for those suffering from drug induced Psychosis. //
There is no support for the criminal actions of this man - the entire thread has broadly followed the point I made on the first response to the thread - that the system has singularly failed the victim, the victim's family, and the mentally ill man who has committed the murder.
Nowhere that I can see is there 'sympathy' for any psychosis, drug-induced or not.
If you are wilfully determined to read into posts a message that is clearly simply not there, then that is your concern - but you are entirely alone in doing it.
There is no support for the criminal actions of this man - the entire thread has broadly followed the point I made on the first response to the thread - that the system has singularly failed the victim, the victim's family, and the mentally ill man who has committed the murder.
Nowhere that I can see is there 'sympathy' for any psychosis, drug-induced or not.
If you are wilfully determined to read into posts a message that is clearly simply not there, then that is your concern - but you are entirely alone in doing it.
AOG - given that only A-H, Ummmm and myself have posted, I guess your last comment is aimed partially at me.
Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE have I indicated concern for the perpetrator. Please could you indicate where I have said otherwise?
My concern is for the fact that it is very difficult to section and/or treat those with any form of psychosis which is transient and/or drug induced. THAT is the problem. Ultimately, the problem could well boil down to one of addiction which is not classified as a mental disorder. Consequently, it is very difficult to treat. One has to treat the addition - there is no possibility of someone being sectioned unless there is an underlying mental disorder.
Nowhere and I mean NOWHERE have I indicated concern for the perpetrator. Please could you indicate where I have said otherwise?
My concern is for the fact that it is very difficult to section and/or treat those with any form of psychosis which is transient and/or drug induced. THAT is the problem. Ultimately, the problem could well boil down to one of addiction which is not classified as a mental disorder. Consequently, it is very difficult to treat. One has to treat the addition - there is no possibility of someone being sectioned unless there is an underlying mental disorder.
Should we not not be concerned by those that are suffering psychosis? It could be anyone of us next!!!
I would assume that any decent human being would feel sympathy for his wife and child....and that should be presumed not explained post after post.
You didn't mention his wife and child in your OP, just Femi Nandap. So you chose to change track when you weren't receiving the answers you wanted...
We can all guess how you wanted this thread to go!!
I would assume that any decent human being would feel sympathy for his wife and child....and that should be presumed not explained post after post.
You didn't mention his wife and child in your OP, just Femi Nandap. So you chose to change track when you weren't receiving the answers you wanted...
We can all guess how you wanted this thread to go!!
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