Ratios

[bookend]

I've never been able to get my head round ratios so I hope someone can help.
I have bottle of squash that's intended to be diluted at the rate of one part squash with four parts water. 100 ml of the thus diluted squash contains 6.1 grams of sugar. What I'd like to know is how much sugar is in the squash before it's diluted with water ie sugar per 100ml in the concentrate.

Thank you.

[dannyk13]

Should be listed on the bottle

[fiction-factory]

One fifth of the drink is orange squash and four fifths is water.

[Mamyalynne]

100 ml of concentrate has 22g of sugar.

She says hopefully.

[Calibax]

You are increasing the volume by a factor of 5 so the undiluted squash has
6.1 x 5 = 30.5g/100

[fiction-factory]

So there is 6.1g of sugar in the 20ml of undiluted squash before you add the 80ml of water

[bookend]

No it's not. It seems that manufcturers can confine themselves to declaring the sugar content in the diluted mix with complete freedom if they wish. It's just another way that that they can hide the true sugar in a product. Things will change next year when the sugar tax comes in. Low calorie squash does disclose the sugar content of the undiluted stuff as they have nothing to hide.

[Mamyalynne]

ah knew I was wrong.

[fiction-factory]

and therefore 30.5g of sugar per 100ml of concentrate.
Is that not on the bottle?

[bookend]

I replied in answer to dannyk13.

[dannyk13]

Duly noted

[bookend]

Total sugar in the concentrate is not declared on the bottle. It's a morrisons Hi-Juice (50%) squash with comminuted orange and added sugar. Those on a diet beware!!

[fiction-factory]

sorry, lots of crossed posts. I'm not sure whether it needs to be on the bottle at the moment if the recommended ratio of water to squash is given- unless you feel some may want to drink it neat - but I suppose it does no harm to include it

[theprof]

bookend has inadvertently raised a point I've been annoyed about for years. There is no legislation that forces food manufacturers to declare total sugar content in a finished product on the label. In the case of this squash, they hide it by declaring the sugar in a given dilution of the product. To my mind, this totally circumvents the concept of the consumer being able to pick up the product off the supermarket shelf to check the sugar content. Hands up those who carefully measure squash out in ratios like this before giving the stuff to their kids.

There are two main lobbyist groups in the UK at the moment who are active in having salt and sugar reduced in our food. These folks, many of whom are academics, would be better employed in campaigning for legislation to stop this legalised concealment of sugar and salt. Right now, the public are being misled by the nutrition tables on these products with complete approval of government and the quangos that police these matters in the UK and EU.

I'm aware of this squash and it's availability in the UK. Up until a few moths go, Aldi sold two versions of it, one having slightly more sugar than the morrisons one and the other having no sugar. Aldi have delisted the sugar containing version now, no doubt in anticipation of the sugar tax due to be introduced next year.

[bookend]

Sorry people, I'm still confused. I need to know the amount of sugar in the undiluted squash per 100ml. Is it 22g or 30.5g?

It sounds an appalling situation prof. To think that governent and their quangos promote the idea of "openess" over food and then they do this.

[fiction-factory]

30.5g of sugar per 100ml undiluted squash

[fiction-factory]

100 mil of diluted squash contains 20ml undiluted squash plus 80ml water (so ratio of 1:4)
so there is 6.1 g sugar per 20ml of undiluted squash
This equates to 30.5g per 100ml undiluted squash

[minesapint]

Have you any idea of how much tax would be on this product next year prof?

[theprof]

The suggested increase for this product is 24p per litre. The last time I looked, the no added sugar version was 99p for a litre in Aldi, so if they had kept the sugar containing version, it would be £1.23.

This situation would need some explaining to customers, so the easiest thing to do is for supermarkets to delist them. This way the dirty work is being done by retailers rather than being recommended by government. It's quite ingenious.

[bookend]

Thanks fiction-factory and to all others that answered too.