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Nice to see that Mrs Maybe has finally made her mind up....Apparently we ARE now going to get a vote in Parliament !
Nice to see that Mrs Maybe has finally made her mind up....Apparently we ARE now going to get a vote in Parliament !
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"...although New Judge and I sometimes agree with one another ! " Steady on there, Mikey !!! Don't go giving people ideas! :-)
20:58 Tue 17th Jan 2017
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I'll echo NJ. Feel no need to jubilate whatever. It was a simple statement which fulfilled requirements and was as expected. Brexiters are not triumphmentalists, merely logical and quietly getting on with it.
I read it all (twice - was in school so didn't hear the delivery) and I thought that it was masterly. I'd like to put in here that I am not convinced even yet by Mrs. May, but taken at face value, it was potentially one of the historic ones.
I don't think it will change domestic politics a lot. Spoke to younger daughter (rabid socialist thanks to the ghastly family of in-laws she's landed with) about family matters tonight. She turned the matter to today's speech and I said that I thought it was masterly (don't think anyone could disagree with that - followed all the rules, covered all the points - whether you agree or not with principles) - immediate reply was "It's the end of the ***ing world as we know it." I calmly informed her that I would not accept swearing and she should know better so I was putting the phone down. She said OK. I put phone down. Still very upsetting.
She is intelligent, but appears incapable of a debate or accepting any opposition to her 'correct' doctrine. I have been trying to break through this for years, ideas welcome.
I read it all (twice - was in school so didn't hear the delivery) and I thought that it was masterly. I'd like to put in here that I am not convinced even yet by Mrs. May, but taken at face value, it was potentially one of the historic ones.
I don't think it will change domestic politics a lot. Spoke to younger daughter (rabid socialist thanks to the ghastly family of in-laws she's landed with) about family matters tonight. She turned the matter to today's speech and I said that I thought it was masterly (don't think anyone could disagree with that - followed all the rules, covered all the points - whether you agree or not with principles) - immediate reply was "It's the end of the ***ing world as we know it." I calmly informed her that I would not accept swearing and she should know better so I was putting the phone down. She said OK. I put phone down. Still very upsetting.
She is intelligent, but appears incapable of a debate or accepting any opposition to her 'correct' doctrine. I have been trying to break through this for years, ideas welcome.
I'm intrigued by what made the speech "masterly". The delivery was pretty boring, by the way, jourdain, so you may have gained more from reading the thing. Nearly fell asleep listening to it, although that was at least partly because I was rather tired already.
That said, it did at least provide the clarity I think many people were hoping for about the actual direction the UK is planning to take, and that's always welcome. There were a few nice guarantees (mostly short-term, but to be fair that's all any government can actually guarantee anyway), some predictable aspirations, and a generally positive tone. I felt a bit saddened listening to it, perhaps, but you could say that it was the speech that we needed. A clear direction. Whether or not we'll be able to stick to it, who knows? Whether or not it was the best one to choose, also who knows? The main thing is that we're beyond this "Brexit means Brexit" crap.
That said, it did at least provide the clarity I think many people were hoping for about the actual direction the UK is planning to take, and that's always welcome. There were a few nice guarantees (mostly short-term, but to be fair that's all any government can actually guarantee anyway), some predictable aspirations, and a generally positive tone. I felt a bit saddened listening to it, perhaps, but you could say that it was the speech that we needed. A clear direction. Whether or not we'll be able to stick to it, who knows? Whether or not it was the best one to choose, also who knows? The main thing is that we're beyond this "Brexit means Brexit" crap.
“Spoke to younger daughter (rabid socialist thanks to the ghastly family of in-laws she's landed with)…”
Good grief, jourdain. That’s horrendous. Couldn’t you have her made a ward of court or something?!?!
I don’t know many Remainers but the few I do know are fairly philosophical about the referendum. They are disappointed but realise that life goes on despite the best efforts of many politicians to mess it up. If the result had gone the other way I would have been bitterly disappointed but I’d like to think I would have accepted the vote graciously. One thing is for sure – there would not have been any calls (or at least none worthy of credence) to perhaps negotiate a “deal” that saw some of the features of our EU membership cancelled so we were left “half in, half out”. But that’s precisely what many Remainers are asking for. If we had voted to remain I expected that we would fully remain. Now that we’re leaving we should fully leave.
It disheartening to hear that your daughter has taken the stance that “It's the end of the ***ing world as we know it." When you next talk to her perhaps you could ask her to explain how she believes this will be so. It’s surprising what some people (especially those a bit younger) have come to believe about our EU membership and what leaving might mean. Those of us old enough to have lived outside the EU will recall that life for most people was scarcely any different on a day-to-day basis.
Whatever you do don’t let the rift with your daughter drift. I’ve known a number of family feuds drag on interminably. Two sisters that I know (they are my cousins once removed actually) lived next door to each other in blissful harmony with their husbands and families. One day, when they were both in their sixties, they had a row over a packet of crisps (!). They never spoke again, despite still living next door to each other, until one of them died around twenty years later. Life’s too short to allow political decisions upset you to that degree.
Good grief, jourdain. That’s horrendous. Couldn’t you have her made a ward of court or something?!?!
I don’t know many Remainers but the few I do know are fairly philosophical about the referendum. They are disappointed but realise that life goes on despite the best efforts of many politicians to mess it up. If the result had gone the other way I would have been bitterly disappointed but I’d like to think I would have accepted the vote graciously. One thing is for sure – there would not have been any calls (or at least none worthy of credence) to perhaps negotiate a “deal” that saw some of the features of our EU membership cancelled so we were left “half in, half out”. But that’s precisely what many Remainers are asking for. If we had voted to remain I expected that we would fully remain. Now that we’re leaving we should fully leave.
It disheartening to hear that your daughter has taken the stance that “It's the end of the ***ing world as we know it." When you next talk to her perhaps you could ask her to explain how she believes this will be so. It’s surprising what some people (especially those a bit younger) have come to believe about our EU membership and what leaving might mean. Those of us old enough to have lived outside the EU will recall that life for most people was scarcely any different on a day-to-day basis.
Whatever you do don’t let the rift with your daughter drift. I’ve known a number of family feuds drag on interminably. Two sisters that I know (they are my cousins once removed actually) lived next door to each other in blissful harmony with their husbands and families. One day, when they were both in their sixties, they had a row over a packet of crisps (!). They never spoke again, despite still living next door to each other, until one of them died around twenty years later. Life’s too short to allow political decisions upset you to that degree.
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