So How Does Everyone Feel About Those Of Us Unhappy With Brexit Having 'opt-In Eu Citizenship'?

[kvalidir]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-keep-freedom-of-movement-guy-verhofstadt-chief-negotiator-opt-in-passports-a7465271.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[vulcan42]

That's true naomi, I wonder if they will choose Greece.

[naomi24]

You never know. ;o)

[Ellipsis]

> Those who wish to retain EU "citizenship" persist in the belief that an independent UK will allow a subset of inhabitants who have expressed a wish to remove themselves from UK jurisdiction.

What are you talking about, "remove themselves from UK jurisdiction"?

[Togo]

Well ignoring the legally binding referendum might be a place to start, and who knows what sort of mischief "EU citizens" may be encouraged to instigate by their EUSSR masters in the future.

[Ellipsis]

What do you mean, "ignoring the legally binding referendum"?

Any UK citizen that joined the "EU Club" would still be a UK citizen, just as any UK citizen who applied for Irish dual nationality post-Brexit is still a UK citizen.

[Ellipsis]

> I wonder if they will choose Greece.

I would expect Greece to quit very soon if the UK has to pay £60 billion to leave, as at that rate Greece would be paid about £100 billion to go!

[Togo]

Ellipsis@ 11:39. Granted that is the case at present, but if it proves to be problematic in the governance of the UK, or a condition that is facilitating subversion, who is to say it couldn't be changed. Perhaps if there is continued dissonance a future UK Parliament may be forced to offer a choice. That being "Either you are with us or against us". All who are with us, from anywhere in the World, are welcome to contribute to our future, all who are not must rightly find refuge and succour in their economic and political region of choice. After all the EUSSR is already offering just such a thing anyway, we just have to agree with it and interpret it to suit ourselves. Just like they have been doing.

[New Judge]

…”we are now in a 26-v-1”

27-v-1 actually, Kromo. Coatia joined in (I think) 2013).

“…those of us whose living and working lives have been devastated by the decision to leave the EU with all it's member benefits.”

You keep talking about devastation and disaster, kvalidir. Please explain how your living and working lives have been devastated (definition: laid to waste; rendered desolate; overwhelmed) by last year’s decision. Let’s forget about what you think or feel for a moment; what exactly has happened to you since last June to leave you devastated? Or do you mean you feel devastated (a very often misused word) by the decision. If it’s just your feelings, I understand. I would have been very upset had the result gone the other way (though I would not have said I was “devastated”). But frankly I’m baffled how anybody has actually been devastated by the referendum result.

[Ellipsis]

> if it proves to be problematic in the governance of the UK, or a condition that is facilitating subversion, who is to say it couldn't be changed

Oh OK so if the EU makes an offer to UK citizens, and if some of those citizens take up the offer of their own free will, and if those citizens later become "problematic" (nice word, BTW), then the UK government may "do something about it", i.e. seek to restrict the free will and choice of their own people, presumably through legislation against membership of the EU Club as if it were, oh I don't know, more insidious than say the EDL, Britain First or Pergida, all of which are legal organisations that are also "problematic" in many people's view.

I think I see where you're coming from ...

[Togo]

//seek to restrict the free will and choice of their own people, //

No no Ellipis wrong, not restricting free will and choice at all, just insisting perhaps that your choices need to be experienced in the places that have your mutual interests and future prospects in harmony. Surely if the UK is deemed to not have your best interests at heart and the EU does it is quite a simple transfer. Likewise the UK may benefit from new residents that want the same and intend to be part of a global UK existence, and not have to be constantly on guard against a section of society who may not have the UK's success and well being at heart. Who may in fact be in thrall and possibly have some incentive from the EU to cause damage and discomfort to the UK. As I said earlier it is a scenario that has a real prospect of developing if we do not take care. Dangerous games.

[Ellipsis]

You are demonstrating paranoia over nothing.

What's being discussed is pathetically inconsequential. It's allowing those Brits who believe in the European project to remain associated with it in some way. It makes no difference to anyone else.

In fact, if anything, it could quell dissension since it could placate those who thought they'd lost too much and were prepared to struggle to get it back.