Is "incitement" A Crime In This Country?

[10ClarionSt]

I ask this because of two things. Firstly, there is a stupid programme on BBC1 during the daytime called "Thief Trackers" where valuable items with trackers are left openly where they can be stolen, then tracked but rarely recovered. A waste of licence payers money. Then there is the practice of people luring paedophiles into meetings with underage people, then making a citizens arrest. Aren't these examples of incitement to commit a crime? Is it legal?

[Old_Geezer]

But is it incitement ? All that is provided is opportunity.

[Mamyalynne]

General info on Incitement here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement

[Baldric]

Incitement was an offence under the common law of England and Wales. It was an inchoate offence. It consisted of persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening so as to cause another to commit a crime.
It was abolished in England and Wales on 1 October 2008 when Part 2 of the Serious Crime Act 2007 came into force, replacing it with three new statutory offences of encouraging or assisting crime. The common law is now only relevant to offences committed before that date.
Wiki

[Mamyalynne]

It rather depends on what you are viewing as incitement - having an expensive statue in your front garden for example?

We have to be careful we don't fall into the trap of saying to someone who has suffered a loss - 'Serves you right'.

[ToraToraTora]

I think you are talking about entrapment. It does seem vague in law, and the police don't do it. Leaving something for bait and then nicking the thief is not illegal as such and really there are enough actual thefts to make it unnecessary to entice them. Now the paedophile luring is quite different. By the time they are caught the target has made a date with a "child" knowingly and willingly and fully believing they are meeting a child. A child is not left out for them as bait so to speak. Neither are illegal.

[ToraToraTora]

BTW incitement is a crime but that's not what the OP is talking about.

[Peter Pedant]

incitement is a crime (see the wiki article)
and I think you mean entrapment
see the wiki article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entrapment

"The main authority on entrapment in the United Kingdom is the decision of the House of Lords in R. v. Loosely; Attorney-General's Reference (n.3 of 2000). A grant of a stay is awarded if the conduct of the state was so seriously improper that the administration of justice was brought into disrepute."

NJ can give us chapter and verse on this
the wiki article presupposes that this is done by a policeman

and the paedo ones you are talking about is paedo grooming

These are gonna try to raise the defence of impossibility
- they cant be attempting to groom a fourteen year old because there wasnt one at the end of the ipad
I have no idea if such a degence will get up and run

[Peter Pedant]

something about it here
https://www.inbrief.co.uk/police/police-entrapment/

Loosely is the leading case
there is no defence of "entrapment"
seems very case dependent ( or depends on the facts) - not surprisingly

oo and here there is a bit from the law socty gazette on entrapment by journalists

https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/law/the-law-regarding-entrapment/55972.article

good reading

[Peter Pedant]

// and the police don't do it.//

o god the police DO do it - and there is case law of course about this.
Leaning against a lamp post pouting like marilyn monroe is OK, it appears. Sticking bits of yourself thro a car window and saying "do you want a bit of this luv" is not. As ever the quality of advice in AB Law thread is variable and incredibly the last person who pointed this out got zapped.
Sending kids in to buy fags is OK as well

it seems most of us have googled UK entrapment law

[hc4361]

The police set traps for burglars
http://bit.ly/rbtk7f

[ToraToraTora]

ok fair enough I'd have thought there were enough naturally occurring thefts without creating more!

[hc4361]

The police also did it to catch gay men in toilets. Used a boyish looking policeman as bait