Should Foreign Rough Sleepers Be Deported?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5111991/Poles-Latvian-fight-state-decision-deport-homeless.html

[Cloverjo]

Littering the streets by sleeping? Deport them all? Wow. We're all citizens of this planet, the only one we know of that can sustain life. Why are some unlucky people treated so badly?

[New Judge]

Yes this is a clear demonstration of what EU membership entails.

The UK has clear principles which it uses to deport citizens of non-EU nations where criminality is concerned and where the presence of an individual in the UK is not in the public interest. These principles cannot be applied to citizens of EU nations. It is extremely difficult to deport them and countless examples abound in the press where criminals or others who contribute nothing to the wellbeing of the country cannot be turfed out.

Unfettered immigration was high on the list of reasons why many people voted to leave. Most of them had this sort of uncontrolled immigration in mind. There are already enough people kipping in doorways in the UK. To allow many more to turn up with no housing or employment in place is utter lunacy and is a typical symptom of the ridiculous principles which the Euromaniacs insist are beyond reform. It is little wonder 17m people voted to leave; the only wonder is that it wasn’t a greater number and the sooner we are out of the madhouse the better.

Sorry, cloverjo, but your “citizens of the planet” remark is childish. We are citizens of individual sovereign nations, which the European Union is not one of. Until it is (by which time the UK should be long gone) then it should be the decision of each nation as to who does and does not settle within its precincts. Unfortunately our politicians signed up to a treaty which removed that right (and many others) from the UK Parliament. Fortunately sufficient numbers of people finally and belatedly realised this and when they were asked if they liked it they gave their answer.

[Baldric]

If they are incapable of, or unwilling to support themselves then, Yes,
get rid, we don't need them.

[emmie]

NJ
couldn't have put that better myself, hear hear....

[Cloverjo]

New judge, I don't know which bits of your post to copy and paste to answer to. I wish I could do the emoiji for 'W.T.F.?'

[hereIam]

Yes, well said NJ.

[Spicerack]

Whether it's 35yr old Afghan children or inebriate itinerants, there's no cause unworthy of support by certain ABers.
I wish I could appear to be so generous.

[Baldric]

///I wish I could appear to be so generous///

I would guess the ones in support of those lost causes are non-taxpayers

[Mamyalynne]

To deport someone purely for sleeping rough doesn't make sense - there are a multitude of reasons why they could be there.

Loss of employment is one as mention on the previous page.

Documentaries have shown Housing Officers visiting ramshackle and extremely dangerous lets where many (usually) young men all pay rent to an unscrupulous Landlord.

The houses get closed down, the men evicted and end up on the street likely losing some employment that went with the package too.

There is not just one reason for homelessness, wherever you hail from.

[DSJ]

Yes.

[Islay]

Milk of human kindness in full flow I see!!

[Baldric]

Islay, The UK is not a registered charity.

[-Talbot-]

I see I have been branded xenophobic ... no surprise there.

As well as hating foreigners I hate the British too, because if they are sleeping on the streets of France, Germany, Italy, Poland ... (shall I go on?) I think they should be returned to Britain.

Mamya, you seem to be describing a slave labour situation. Overpopulated dwelling with tenants dependent on the landlord for both shelter and work. The travellers round here are quids in with their readily available cheap labour.

[jourdain2]

We strongly support a local organisation which strives to help homeless people. The problem of non-UK nationals has not arisen -we are far from large centres of population. Were it to do so I think that I would remove my support, unless a roof were to be found on a purely temporary basis until the person/s concerned could return to his/her/their homeland.

I believe that somewhere I have read that EU rules do provide for return to homeland if a person deliberately moves to a country without visible means of support. It may be in one of the spin-offs from the original article.
We have enough problems with our own homeless, had 15 sleeping on the beach this Summer, don't know about now, but we're collecting food.

[Mamyalynne]

The point I was making is that not everyone sleeping rough, here or indeed anywhere has the same back story.

Should sleeping rough be in itself a reason for deportation?

In my mind, no - more needs to be known about the person first.

[New Judge]

"New judge, I don't know which bits of your post to copy and paste to answer to."

Feel free to do the lot, cloverjo. I'd be interested to hear some constructive criticism or rebuttal of any of my points. Unfortunately "W.T.F." doesn't quite add too much to the debate.

[youngmafbog]

No doubt because Cloverjo has no real viable answer to your well thought out post NJ.

[Old_Geezer]

I also agree with NoM. It's unreasonable to expect a country to play host to another nation's troubled. If you wish residency, ensure you can support yourself. No doubt bad law presently prevents returns though.