The “Russian” Plot Thickens...

[Jahulaye]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5510429/MURDER-probe-Russian-exiles-death.html

State sponsored execution or a clever plot to frame the big bear?

[Jahulaye]

“The ‘rogue Russian element’ theory is so unlikely as to be discountable. Not given the material used.”

Really? I think it’s a highly feasible scenario after other non Russian organisations doing the hit for the same reason.

[Deskdiary]

Like I say - flat earthists suggesting ludicrous and absurd suggestions rather than what is staring them in the face, which is being hewn from what they say is "research".

For research read what other nutters are saying on the internet.

I reckon if I looked hard enough I reckon i could find "research" on the net telling me any old cobblers.

[Jahulaye]

No I don’t believe in flat earth and yes I do believe that governments tell us 90% lies.

Wake up, open your eyes and let the truth “shower”over you.

We’re not all gullible sheeple here.

[THECORBYLOON]

What evidence have you unearthed?

[Deskdiary]

If I may be so bold as to answer for her....

None. Nada. Zero. Nought. Nothing.

[ichkeria]

The reason I say a ‘rogue element’ is I likely is simply because it is more or less unthinkable that they could have obtained - and certainly not made - this agent.

[jno]

Unlikely, but I don't know that anything is unthinkable. Peter Pedant gave the example of sarin, assumed to have been unavailable unofficially until it turned out Aum Shinrikyo were making their own. My own guess is that Putin's behind this but I certainly don't share the righteous certainty of others, and I'm disinclined to take the word of politicians and spooks as gospel.

[vulcan42]

\\ No I don’t believe in flat earth and yes I do believe that governments tell us 90% lies. //
What's the 10% you believe to be true?

[douglas9401]

I'll hazard a guess at a successful and smooth exit from the EU.

[ichkeria]

Manufacture of sarin is not straightforward but a lot easier than the Novichok agents. I don’t think these accusations are made lightly: I am sure more details will emerge with time

[ichkeria]

If governments tell us 90% lies then that presumably also includes the Russian government.
I call gullible - and indeed lazy - people who assume everything they are told is lies when a bit of judgment, discernment and research would enable them to make more proactive assessments of the merits of the info they receive
It’s classic tactic of autocratic governments to sow doubt in such gullible people by claiming that there is no such thing as truth and that everything is relative.
It’s apt that RT’s motto is ‘question more’: what they really mean is ‘doubt everything’
Trouble is, while you are ‘doubting everything’ passively, you are actually learning nothing

[jno]

Accusations can be made very lightly indeed, Saddam's WMD being an obvious recent example (and on a lower level, Corbyn's spying for the Czechs, still parroted on AB as if it were actually true). Question more seems like good advice to me: it may be that the authorities are all telling the unvarnished truth this time, but they haven't earned automatic credibility

[Jahulaye]

“If governments tell us 90% lies then that presumably also includes the Russian government”

I don’t know much about the bear but but I have been watching my own back yard, specifically what the bulldog and eagle have been doing to other nations in our names.

“I call gullible - and indeed lazy - people who assume everything they are told is lies when a bit of judgment, discernment and research would enable them to make more proactive assessments of the merits of the info they receive”

It takes thousands of hours of reading, watching videos, listening to audio, researching, dissecting and reconstructing all this to come to a logical conclusion.

What’s lazy is sheeple allowing themselves to be stuffed with misinformation taking it as gospel without so much as a synapse firing.

[ichkeria]

Neither the wmd accusations nor these are made lightly and it’s perverse to suggest otherwise, even to link the two.
‘Question more’ is a good idea depending on who says it.
Anyway, there are grand slams to celebrate ...