Gender Pay Gap

[dave50]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-43651780
How is this survey a reflection on the gender pay gap? If a man and a woman are doing the same job, they are paid equally, it's the law. Calculating the average man's & woman's for one company and saying women are paid less is ridiculous. Was it Easyjet they were talking about on the news I think? Apparently they are one of the worst offenders. If you are comparing pilots (who are mostly men) wages with cabin staff who are mostly women they will be. Ridiculous.

[ludwig]

//The fact that women and men on the whole choose different career paths is another subject entirely.//

It's partly the AA's fault Naomi. ;-)

[naomi24]

No doubt. :o)

[fiction-factory]

I don't think you have really read any of the answers Naomi and clearly the way you talk down to me suggests you already know all there is to know on the subject so I'll bow out

[naomi24]

^Oo-er!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Anyone see the now famous Cathy Newman Jordan Peterson interview?
Peterson argued the point that the gap existed for many reasons, only one of which - and a minor one at that - being sexism. (This could have produced an interesting conversation had the interviewer been inclined to listen to Peterson's argument.)

Back one: James Damore. Remember him? No, me neither, but he was the guy who got sacked last year by Google for heresy. The Telegraph's slightly overly simple summary was:

"Google has sacked a computer engineer who caused a storm in Silicon Valley by asserting that the gender gap among technology workers was down to biological differences between men and women. He produced an internal report on...".

The report (a more general critique than suggested by DT) shows that Damore had read some of the literature on the subject. Here's a pdf of it:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

PS: what's with this median pay gap referred to in the link in the OP? It tells us what we already know without any explanatory substance. Seems to exist only to confirm the bias of the uncritical that the "system" is unjust, as in the tendentious statement in the link: "if women know that they're going to earn 10% less than men...". Perhaps you'd be kind enough to comment on "median", Jim.

[jim360]

In reference to ymb's first post, statistics are not in themselves the problem -- although, as v-e suggests above, people's ignorance in using them certainly is. Clearly a randomly-selected woman is not definitely going to earn 10% less in her lifetime than a random man. It's merely more likely.

Yes, I remember James Damore. I suspect that fewer people read what he wrote than the number of people who got incredibly angry at him, although from what I remember his document, while well-cited, probably overstressed the biological aspect of the gender pay gap beyond the references he quoted.