ChatterBank1 min ago
Is London Becoming World Wide Notorious For It's Crime?
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I am sure there was a thread regarding scooter gangs, but it seems to have disappeared, so since I can't add this report to that thread, I might as well start a another one, pointing out what our once wonderful capital has become.
I am sure there was a thread regarding scooter gangs, but it seems to have disappeared, so since I can't add this report to that thread, I might as well start a another one, pointing out what our once wonderful capital has become.
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I have a theory - moped mugging...I think it’s become big partially because of technology (bear with me).
1. Moped theives want high value, easily saleable items. Most of us walk around with very expensive mobile phones, however with fingerprint and facial recognition tech built into these devices, the robber has to swipe them whilst they’re switched on.
2. A general theory about street crime...it’s simply displaced crime. When I was a lad, banks and building societies would be regularly held up. When was the last time any of heard of a bank robbery?
Again - technology has killed that source of funding for theives...so they have been displaced to the street.
1. Moped theives want high value, easily saleable items. Most of us walk around with very expensive mobile phones, however with fingerprint and facial recognition tech built into these devices, the robber has to swipe them whilst they’re switched on.
2. A general theory about street crime...it’s simply displaced crime. When I was a lad, banks and building societies would be regularly held up. When was the last time any of heard of a bank robbery?
Again - technology has killed that source of funding for theives...so they have been displaced to the street.
SP: "London is not becomming notorious for crime" - Right oh!
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How bad does it have to get SP?
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How bad does it have to get SP?
According to the most recent official Home Office figures, the total police officer workforce for England and Wales in September 2016 was 122,859.
In September 2010, the year the Coalition took power, the figure was 141,850.
So, that's a fall of 18,991 (around 13 per cent).
According to a House of Commons Library briefing, if one excludes staff on a career break or maternity/paternity leave, the true strength of the UK's 43 police forces in March 2016 was just 118,779, the weakest since March 1985.
But, these are national figures. In addition to this funding has fallen nationally by 18% (according to the official Treasury data, the Home Office's overall budget fell from £12.6bn in 2011-12 to £10.9bn in 2015-16).
In September 2010, the year the Coalition took power, the figure was 141,850.
So, that's a fall of 18,991 (around 13 per cent).
According to a House of Commons Library briefing, if one excludes staff on a career break or maternity/paternity leave, the true strength of the UK's 43 police forces in March 2016 was just 118,779, the weakest since March 1985.
But, these are national figures. In addition to this funding has fallen nationally by 18% (according to the official Treasury data, the Home Office's overall budget fell from £12.6bn in 2011-12 to £10.9bn in 2015-16).
TTT
It would have to get a lot worse that this.
This is going to sound terrible - but for the media, this is ‘this summer’s thing’. This is the narrative, and they will run with it for as long as they can.
Do you remember about five years ago when all the newspapers were trying to convince us that Londoners were all in danger of being eaten alive by feral foxes?
They ran with it for about three months, and then dropped it. I suspect that this spike in street crime will follow suit.
But the real answer to the OP will come from stats next year - if London has developed this international reputation, we will see a sharp fall in visitors from abroad.
It would have to get a lot worse that this.
This is going to sound terrible - but for the media, this is ‘this summer’s thing’. This is the narrative, and they will run with it for as long as they can.
Do you remember about five years ago when all the newspapers were trying to convince us that Londoners were all in danger of being eaten alive by feral foxes?
They ran with it for about three months, and then dropped it. I suspect that this spike in street crime will follow suit.
But the real answer to the OP will come from stats next year - if London has developed this international reputation, we will see a sharp fall in visitors from abroad.
TTT dodges the suggestion that more police might help solve the problem by frantically pointing the finger at Labour, as if they were in power. Sounds like he's not too worried by it, then, any more than I am. Whether NYC was really cleaned up by zero tolerance is open to question, but the Queen has knighted Mayor Giuliani, so perhaps it could be tried.
jno
Have you heard that theory that the sharp drop in crime figures in New York in the 90s was not only due to zero tolerance, but to the availability of the pill?
The theory goes that the reason there was a drop in crime numbers is because there was an actual drop in the number of criminals.
I think I read about that on the original Freakonomics book (highly recommended).
Have you heard that theory that the sharp drop in crime figures in New York in the 90s was not only due to zero tolerance, but to the availability of the pill?
The theory goes that the reason there was a drop in crime numbers is because there was an actual drop in the number of criminals.
I think I read about that on the original Freakonomics book (highly recommended).
Unfortunately, the rise in crime was predicted, but the Government took no notice.
Cutting police numbers has been a grave error.
AB from 2010:
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Cutting police numbers has been a grave error.
AB from 2010:
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Here you are Gromit, if only half of these were on the streets.
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sp1814
/// When I was a lad, banks and building societies would be regularly held up. ///
I don't know what country you grew up in SP but it couldn't have been the UK, according to these figures:
United Kingdom
Robbers
Lee Murray
Frankie Fraser
Robberies
Linwood bank robbery, 1969; two policemen killed.
Bank of America robbery, 1975, Mayfair; London. £8 million stolen, £500,000 recovered.
Midland Bank Clearing Centre, 1995, Salford, Greater Manchester, £6.6 million.
Northern Bank robbery, 2004, Belfast, Northern Ireland; £26 million.
/// When I was a lad, banks and building societies would be regularly held up. ///
I don't know what country you grew up in SP but it couldn't have been the UK, according to these figures:
United Kingdom
Robbers
Lee Murray
Frankie Fraser
Robberies
Linwood bank robbery, 1969; two policemen killed.
Bank of America robbery, 1975, Mayfair; London. £8 million stolen, £500,000 recovered.
Midland Bank Clearing Centre, 1995, Salford, Greater Manchester, £6.6 million.
Northern Bank robbery, 2004, Belfast, Northern Ireland; £26 million.
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