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[Baldric]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage-issues-stark-warning-12885800

But does he actually lead?

[Baldric]

Last line should have read;

"But does he actually have a Party to lead?"

[ichkeria]

That’s an old tune now.
He thinks all he had to do is say ‘I’m coming back’ and the Tories will panic again. It’s well past that stage now

[Jackdaw33]

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1614267.html

[douglas9401]

He's hardly up himself at all, our Nige.

[naomi24]

He's wasted with UKIP. It doesn't do him justice and never did. Apparently he's on 'The Wright Stuff' tomorrow morning. Might be interesting. I don't know if he's scheduled for any serious political interviews, but I hope he is. I'd like to hear what he has to say about the present pantomime.

[Gromit]

UKIP have not really ever won anything. So to threaten Conservative MPs with losing their seats is a rather empty boast.

[Jackdaw33]

As I said on the previous thread on this topic, in marginal seats it won't take too many votes to shift from Tory to UKIP to hand the seat to Labour (or LD).

[Zacs-Master]

I think the photo says it all.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//... in marginal seats it won't take too many votes to shift from Tory to UKIP to hand the seat to Labour (or LD)//

Which is the real threat, isn't it?

[Gromit]

// ...in marginal seats it won't take too many votes to shift from Tory to UKIP to hand the seat to Labour (or LD). //

That has always been the claim/threat, but it has never happened.

[Old_Geezer]

He's someone who gets things done/changed. It's an admirable quality where used as he has, to get wrongs discussed and attempted to be put right. That's more than most achieve.

[Gromit]

// He's someone who gets things done/changed. //

No he isn’t, that is utter drivel.
He was an MEP who hardly ever turned up but took the money. The electorate rejected him 5 times in Westminster elections. Even as UKIP leader he was fairly rubbish.

[cassa333]

That’s right Gromit. Even if NF were not on the scene for the past 25years, five years perhaps, nay three years even we would still have had the referendum wouldn’t we? Wouldn’t we?

Err would we?

No we wouldn’t. He was a major force behind the initial start of all this. He was the one who frightened the government into holding the referendum. And he most of all (with the tag along help of others such as BOJO) di the most for showing the electorate the campaigned for leaving.

As has been said before ‘’’just’’’ because he and UKIP didn’t make much headway in parliament and elections doesn’t mean he wasn’t a major influencer. He above everyone else influenced how people voted in the referendum.

To cconstantly whinge that he has no political clout on the one hand is correct but discount him at your peril.

[naomi24]

Cassa, I agree. It wouldn't have happened without him. I think he scares people.

[ToraToraTora]

gromit: "UKIP have not really ever won anything...." well in seats that's true but they have achieved their aim barely setting foot in the HofP no other party in history can say that.

[Zacs-Master]

I thought Nige had resigned from UKIP (for about the 4th time)?

[sp1814]

People seem to think that the referendum gave us an answer.

It kinda did, and at the same time threw the country into paroxysms of doubt, disagreement and fudge.

When people voted to leave the EU, they knew what they meant. However one person’s leave may have been completely different from another’s.

The Hard Brexit gang like to think that everyone who voted to leave thinks like they do.

Not true.

[naomi24]

sp, you're kidding yourself. I don't know a single Leave voter who voted "Leave with conditions". They wanted out - completely - and they have been betrayed - shamefully.

[Old_Geezer]

Find it had to believe someone would vote to leave and not mean it. Is the suggestion that some were so foolish that they thought to vote leave in the belief it meant renegotiate instead ? Come on, that was tried and failed. Those who voted leave knew it meant leave; to suggest otherwise is clutching at straws. One may as well claim those who voted remain believed remain meant come out for a year or two only and see how it goes.

[woofgang]

i don't find it hard to believe at all. I think its quite within the realms of possibility that some of the people who voted leave thought of it as "sending a message" and either believed that not enough others would vote leave for it to happen or thought that the EU would break down and go "oh please don't go we will give you anything to stay" I think its equally possible that some of the remainers voted to remain "as things were" or voted to remain because they believed that the UK was powerful enough to be able to block the bits they didn't want. It is completely amazing what reasons some people give for voting/behaving as they do.