Europe Is A Laughing Stock

[-Talbot-]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6067379/Yazidi-former-sex-slave-came-face-face-ISIS-captor-German-street.html

How many European countries have imported these monster.


Laughing stock and that includes the UK.

[LadyCG]

It terrifies me to think about what the future holds with these monsters walking our streets.

I guess that makes me a racist bigot, but hey ho.

[LadyCG]

Surely if he was a member of ISIS he shouldn't have been let into the country? At the very least he should be on the terror watch list.

To say they can't do anything because he's a refugee seems an extraordinarily foolish dereliction of duty to the citizens of Germany.

[fender62]

its all forgiven though, diversity and all, plus her word against said perpetrator..even if it could be proved nothing would happen, less we have a riot from in the incomers..allah forbid..or sorry god forbid

[rockyracoon]

I'm lost for words over this. Unbelievable.

[Peter Pedant]

// To say they can't do anything because he's a refugee seems an extraordinarily foolish dereliction of duty to the citizens of Germany.//

germans not doing their ( perceived ) duty - I doubt that!

more likely that refugee status gives immunity from suit for actions before they entered Germany
clearly refugees are subject to criminal law of the country
( oh perhaps G law doesnt allow prosecution of crimes outside the country. )

and so war crimes - are they indictable if committed outside germany ( like Russia )

Now the sensible question ( hur hur hur I know this is AB ) is whether this occurs in England
that is the Yazidi if she alleged she was a slave in Iraq, is it actionable ? well the modern slavery act 2015 says
//The draft bill included no measures to counter the use of slave labour abroad//

oops so it looks as tho it cd occur here

( burden of proof argument - how do you show it when all the witnesses are abroad?)

[Peter Pedant]

// I'm lost for words over this. Unbelievable.//

well you had better start looking for them - the position seems to be same in England

[Prudie]

There's a fair few abers who'd have let him in, presumably a representative bunch, so hardly surprising.

[fender62]

Prudie, let absolutely and given free housing benefits etc, local mosque would have welcomed him with praise, jihad benefits and all that await, and where's your x amount of wives we need to bring over.

[mushroom25]

and, fender, he'd have been classified as a child.

[naomi24]

Europe is becoming a joke - a bad one.

[ladybirder]

That is such an awful story. No justice for that poor girl. Disgraceful.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//more likely that refugee status gives immunity from suit for actions before they entered Germany//

What determines "refugee status" and how? Why, once conferred, should that status give "immunity from suit for actions before they entered Germany?". And why would the German government want even "genuine" refugees in its country if it thought they'd be a danger to its citizens?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Who determines and how?

[Peter Pedant]

refugee status is an entity ( it exists, rather than is a social construct) which is based in treaty ( post war) and legislation
and the huge corpus begins here
https://www.gov.uk/entering-staying-uk/refugees-asylum-human-rights

I have no idea about refugees and German Law but it will also be based in post war experience and treaty - Large number of ethnic germans were uprooted ( Volga Germans etc ) and booted back to Germany.

[Peter Pedant]

// "immunity from suit for actions before they entered Germany?".//
oh come on get real and stop grand standing

most countries dont prosecute crimes that arent committed in the country - for really really obvious reasons - difficulty to prove
England - sexual crimes are an exception

it seems clear the slavery act in England doesnt cover slavery abroad.

as someone said - shrugging their shoulders - the law is the law

[vetuste_ennemi]

I understand the "difficulty of" bit, as in your observation about the International Brigade some weeks ago.

Of course, Orwell and the others did not, by and large, return to their respective countries to engage in civil war.

If we thought they were we might have been more careful.

Innit?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Justice should be blind.

Common sense should teach anybody except casuists and shyster lawyers that [former VE neighbour] Jihadi John's and George Orwell's cases are in important ways (not necessarily the same as legal ways) dissimilar.