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Socialism, Can It Ever Work?
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Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary why do so many, often appearing intelligent, people still believe that socialism can work? Perhaps those that do can explain the mechanisms by which they think it could. Thanks.
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Socialism in a nut shell and why it never works: They say, let’s pass a law to cut the prices of basics so people can be better off.I f they do it too many businesses stop providing the goods and supermarket shelves empty. They say, let’s tax the rich more to give money to the poor. If they do that too much the rich take their money and their businesses, their jobs...
14:02 Mon 12th Nov 2018
Naomi. I’ve already written my reason for not playing with the snotty-nosed urchins in the sandpit (“A bit like someone at a National Front meeting jumping up and shouting “Do we want more immigration, brothers and sisters?””)
If that’s too subtle, which is quite possible, a simpler way of telling the story is this.
What is the point of arguing about putting out fires with a bunch of arsonists?
If that’s too subtle, which is quite possible, a simpler way of telling the story is this.
What is the point of arguing about putting out fires with a bunch of arsonists?
It's just about moderation. As to the idea that the NHS was a Tory initiative -- well, maybe they should have got around to it a lot earlier then, if they wanted actual credit. But the history of legislative accomplishments shows quite clearly that it is Labour (and, prior to them, the Liberals) who drive socialist initiatives forward more frequently and far more effectively.
Incidentally, when Naomi says that the NHS "began with a report, published by a Liberal economist", presumably she's referring to the Beveridge Report. But that was commissioned by a Labour politician, Arthur Greenwood. So the Tories *still* don't get credit -- and, incidentally, the fact that it didn't happen under a Tory government isn't just because of the War but because other Tory ministers tried to block it.
Sorry, Tory folks, but the credit for the NHS is due, deservedly, to Labour, and revisionist attempts to claim the contrary are misguided and wrong.
Sorry, Tory folks, but the credit for the NHS is due, deservedly, to Labour, and revisionist attempts to claim the contrary are misguided and wrong.
bainbrig, //the snotty-nosed urchins in the sandpit//
Who would they be then? You bang on about socialism, you liberally throw insults around, but when push comes to shove you're an intellectual lightweight with no sensible argument to offer. That much is abundantly clear.
Jim, //It's just about moderation. //
What is? Socialism?
Who would they be then? You bang on about socialism, you liberally throw insults around, but when push comes to shove you're an intellectual lightweight with no sensible argument to offer. That much is abundantly clear.
Jim, //It's just about moderation. //
What is? Socialism?
Jim, //the credit for the NHS is due, deservedly, to Labour, and revisionist attempts to claim the contrary are misguided and wrong.//
No one has made any attempts to award the Tory's the accolade for founding the NHS... simply corrected your erroneous claim that the NHS was a Labour ideal. It wasn't.
No one has made any attempts to award the Tory's the accolade for founding the NHS... simply corrected your erroneous claim that the NHS was a Labour ideal. It wasn't.
Everything in moderation -- but, in the particular context of this thread, then socialism in particular. I wouldn't want to live under a pure any-system, really, if nothing else because being too passionately devoted to a philosophy blinds you to the possibility that other systems have something useful to offer.
We have some Socialism already.
The NHS, the education services, the police, etc etc. Wherever the needs of the many are met by all, that is Socialism.
Also, when bankers, led by (Sir) Fred The Shred Godwin, former CEO of RBS run into trouble through their own greed, then the many, ( without being asked,) fork out billions to pay for their mistakes and criminality. (Nobody ever prosecuted.), then thT is Socialism. The many helping the few, ( in this case who remain basking in their millions!)
But Capitalism is alive and well. The poverty ridden working class or those too unfortunate to find a job, suffer the full brunt of market forces.
In my opinion.
No dinner parties for them! Just food banks!
The NHS, the education services, the police, etc etc. Wherever the needs of the many are met by all, that is Socialism.
Also, when bankers, led by (Sir) Fred The Shred Godwin, former CEO of RBS run into trouble through their own greed, then the many, ( without being asked,) fork out billions to pay for their mistakes and criminality. (Nobody ever prosecuted.), then thT is Socialism. The many helping the few, ( in this case who remain basking in their millions!)
But Capitalism is alive and well. The poverty ridden working class or those too unfortunate to find a job, suffer the full brunt of market forces.
In my opinion.
No dinner parties for them! Just food banks!
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