Constitutional Crisis?

[mushroom25]

Brexit Advice: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46419790

is this as serious as labour are painting it?

[vetuste_ennemi]

12:12

I would like to think I am so generous, Jim.

[youngmafbog]

Anything to get rid of that dictator we have in No 10.

And yes, even if that means Corbyn.

[vetuste_ennemi]

A long time ago two things disgusted me: Leavers cheering and Remainders whingeing. The referendum was supposed to be a peaceful resolution of deep divide. Unlike its 1630 predecessor.

[Old_Geezer]

The only way May could support the backstop was to keep saying it'll not be triggered so it doesn't matter, don't worry about it, trust me, I'm a politician; but unfortunately for her, not everyone is a idiot; if it wasn't going to be triggered it doesn't need to be there at all. As has been pointed out, being able to be triggered and then be the (lack of) "solution" is what a backstop is for. And sovereignty and border issues is exactly why it is an appalling suggestion and no real solution at all.

[youngmafbog]

OG, May lies. We all know that as she does it so regularly. So clearly the woman is devoid of any reality and lives in a bubble full of BS fed to her from Oily and co.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Magnanimity in victory (irony, oh irony) and graciousness in defeat (more of the same...).

Am I alone in my old-fashioned belief in honesty and decency?

PS: please don't mention the bus or Mystic Meg Carney.

[Khandro]

It now seems this cursed woman wants to cancel the "meaningful vote" return to Brussels to try for a better deal (cor blimey!) then when she gets none, she can return and say how hard she has tried, next all the politicians will have completely forgotten the vote and feel so sorry for her they will allow the country to go down the EU pan.

The panto season is well under way!

[dannyk13]

Khandro //return to Brussels to try for a better deal //
Barnier was adamant that this is the only deal and there will not be any further negotiation.

[Gromit]

Surprise surprise, the legal advice has been leaked.

// a draft paper that leaked on Monday morning, emerged hours before the attorney general, Geoffrey Cox, was scheduled to brief the Commons about his advice on the Brexit deal negotiated by May.

The 27-page document, dated 26 November, says the UK would conform to EU customs rules if it entered the backstop, and adds that this “would be a practical barrier to the UK entering separate trade agreements on goods with third countries”. //

[vetuste_ennemi]

That bit is already in the public domain, like it is explicitly stated in the legally binding stuff.

The key issue is whether after the extended transition and backstop we can withdraw unilaterally. And the answer to that is No. So May's Brexit is exiting its legislative/advisory bodies while agreeing to abide its regulations.

[ichkeria]

At the risk of sounding like a cracked record, the backstop actually favours the U.K. economically. It is in the interests of the EU to negotiate it away. But it’s actually there because no one has come up with a solution to the Irish border issue. It would not be in the UK’s economic interest to withdraw unilaterally. The argument as so often with Brexit is sovereignty v economics

[dannyk13]

On the news just now. If we extend the period we will have to pay the EU more money.It just gets better and better, not.

[cassa333]

That’s why when they trigger the back stop we will be paying indefinitely.

I think the EU will make an effort for a trade deal for if we ever leave. It will be under the same terms as now. There will be no material benefit to the UK and they will get our fishing rights and anything else they demand. And our useless government will roll over and play dead.

[ichkeria]

We won’t be paying for the backstop.
We pay the EU for as long as we keep extending the transition period. The backstop is something different

[Kromovaracun]

//the backstop actually favours the U.K. economically//

Would you mind explaining this (or linking to something that does)? I confess I haven't personally read the draft agreement - there seemed little point when everyone thinks it is doomed - but I struggle to see how this is the case from what I know of the backstop.

[ichkeria]

Because in that situation we’d have access to the EU’s single market but also have control of EU immigration. Therefore it’s very similar to the ‘having all the benefits of EU membership but none of the “nasty”bits’ that the EU is allegedly so reluctant about