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Could We Sue David Cameron?
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Cameron and his ‘advisors’ (talk about the Unready) decided to have referendum on EU membership.
The UK and Europe are now in a dreadful mess, which has cost billions, for what?
Has there been a worst decision in the world’s history?
I really can’t think of one.
Can we sue Cameron? (I bet he doesn’t sleep well!)
The UK and Europe are now in a dreadful mess, which has cost billions, for what?
Has there been a worst decision in the world’s history?
I really can’t think of one.
Can we sue Cameron? (I bet he doesn’t sleep well!)
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//Can’t even be bothered to respond to this hackneyed rubbish. // Ducking out as usual, bainbrig. What a fraud you are.
23:08 Sun 09th Dec 2018
It's very difficult to see how you can insist that it's perfectly reasonable to jump before checking we have a parachute -- especially considering the fallout since. It's no good just blaming those in charge, especially because even with the best of intentions they weren't the only people at the table when it came to negotiation.
Next time we have a referendum, it should be at the very least held for honest reasons. This one was held to kill the issue, not to resolve it, and because of that, it's not succeeded in doing either. It will have been far better to delay the referendum, or delay Brexit following the result, until a coherent and achievable plan was in place for the aftermath.
Next time we have a referendum, it should be at the very least held for honest reasons. This one was held to kill the issue, not to resolve it, and because of that, it's not succeeded in doing either. It will have been far better to delay the referendum, or delay Brexit following the result, until a coherent and achievable plan was in place for the aftermath.
His Chancellor warned him not to insist on a referendum: he probably thought he would not win a majority and would not even have to carry out the promise. He was however buoyed by ‘taking a punt’ and winning the Scottish referendum. During the campaign he seemed incapable of thinking he could lose until it was too late. He spent years slagging off the EU to keep his right wing happy and, when it came to it, his sudden apparent belief that it was the greatest thing since sliced bread just didn’t seem credible.
So yes he messed up massively (I don’t blame him for leaving him after the vote).
But sue? I don’t think so. Time is better spent sorting out the inevitable chaos that resulted from his gamble.
So yes he messed up massively (I don’t blame him for leaving him after the vote).
But sue? I don’t think so. Time is better spent sorting out the inevitable chaos that resulted from his gamble.
"This one was held to kill the issue, not to resolve it, and because of that, it's not succeeded in doing either."
Had the result been 52:48 to remain it would have killed it stone dead for a generation or two (or until the EU was wound up - which is more likely to occur beforehand). It would have been "Oh well, that's that then. We asked the people and they have spoken. Business as Usual; on we go." One thing's for sure - there would be nobody like "Brains" Gove telling us "We only got 52% of the vote, so we can't have all we want". Nobody like "Failing Grayling" telling us "We must find an arrangement that brings the country together." We would have remained with our membership completely unaltered.
The reason that this mess has ensued is not because the dopey electorate voted out. It has arisen because the Executive (the majority of whom wanted to remain) and Parliament (the majority of whom wanted to remain) refused to follow an exit strategy that would deliver just that - an exit. Instead they were solely concerned with devising a scheme which would keep us as closely aligned with EU membership as possible whilst still be able to insist we had "left". There were only two answers to the question posed in the referendum and only one solution to each.
Had the result been 52:48 to remain it would have killed it stone dead for a generation or two (or until the EU was wound up - which is more likely to occur beforehand). It would have been "Oh well, that's that then. We asked the people and they have spoken. Business as Usual; on we go." One thing's for sure - there would be nobody like "Brains" Gove telling us "We only got 52% of the vote, so we can't have all we want". Nobody like "Failing Grayling" telling us "We must find an arrangement that brings the country together." We would have remained with our membership completely unaltered.
The reason that this mess has ensued is not because the dopey electorate voted out. It has arisen because the Executive (the majority of whom wanted to remain) and Parliament (the majority of whom wanted to remain) refused to follow an exit strategy that would deliver just that - an exit. Instead they were solely concerned with devising a scheme which would keep us as closely aligned with EU membership as possible whilst still be able to insist we had "left". There were only two answers to the question posed in the referendum and only one solution to each.
The first mistake was holding a referendum (even Thatcher was against them), Hitler rose to power on the back of referendums.
The second mistake was not wording the referendum in such a way that it could be used as a weapon to reform the EU which has gone sadly astray from the original admirable intentions (the reaction from several other countries to the result would appear to indicate support for reform would be forthcoming from some other member states). Even as a Labour supporter, I sometimes hanker for a Thatcher figure at the top - she knew how to handle the EU.
P.S. Don't overlook the fact that as a member of the EU, we are partly responsible for the way it's developed.
The second mistake was not wording the referendum in such a way that it could be used as a weapon to reform the EU which has gone sadly astray from the original admirable intentions (the reaction from several other countries to the result would appear to indicate support for reform would be forthcoming from some other member states). Even as a Labour supporter, I sometimes hanker for a Thatcher figure at the top - she knew how to handle the EU.
P.S. Don't overlook the fact that as a member of the EU, we are partly responsible for the way it's developed.
At least Cameron was right about one thing - Jean Claude Juncker. I remember DC trying to stop him becoming Head of the EU Commission. https:/
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