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A most abhorrent crime. I would have thought a good barrister could have made a murder charge stick, but I suppose with the current wooliness in the CPS and the judiciary generally, manslaughter more likely to get the guilty verdict. I wonder what would happen if the Jury Foreman declared "Guilty of Murder" when the jury returned to court. I guess the judge...
13:46 Wed 16th Jan 2019
Weird story all round. They probably put Alfie into the footwell because they didn't have a car seat and it is illegal for a three years old to travel in a car without being in one. The mother was supposed to be sitting in the rear seat ,so you would have thought that she would have objected to the front passenger seat being thrown back onto her legs as Alfie was being crushed?Sad end for such a lovely child.
A most abhorrent crime.
I would have thought a good barrister could have made a murder charge stick, but I suppose with the current wooliness in the CPS and the judiciary generally, manslaughter more likely to get the guilty verdict.
I wonder what would happen if the Jury Foreman declared "Guilty of Murder" when the jury returned to court. I guess the judge would "correct" him, but at least the point would be made.
I would have thought a good barrister could have made a murder charge stick, but I suppose with the current wooliness in the CPS and the judiciary generally, manslaughter more likely to get the guilty verdict.
I wonder what would happen if the Jury Foreman declared "Guilty of Murder" when the jury returned to court. I guess the judge would "correct" him, but at least the point would be made.
retrocop - // … and sentencing in a civilised society.Like we have to believe this pond life are civilised in the off set. :-( //
It is society that is civilised, sadly and obviously not ever member of it.
So I don't suggest that these people are civilised, but the society that we live in is civilised, and that's why we as a society don't murder people, for murdering other people, because that is not civilised.
It is society that is civilised, sadly and obviously not ever member of it.
So I don't suggest that these people are civilised, but the society that we live in is civilised, and that's why we as a society don't murder people, for murdering other people, because that is not civilised.
As I understand it, the movement of the seats was hydraulically controlled - which means that the engine would power the seat's movement, rather than the person sitting in the seat.
That would mean that the power moving the seat would continue, even if it met an obstruction, and that has caused this poor child's death.
Perhaps manufacturers need to assess if there needs to be a failsafe to prevent the seat continuing its trajectory it is meets any resistance, which would have prevented this tragedy.
That would mean that the power moving the seat would continue, even if it met an obstruction, and that has caused this poor child's death.
Perhaps manufacturers need to assess if there needs to be a failsafe to prevent the seat continuing its trajectory it is meets any resistance, which would have prevented this tragedy.
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As I understand it, the movement of the seats was hydraulically controlled - which means that the engine would power the seat's movement, rather than the person sitting in the seat.
That just cannot be correct. It implies the seat occupant has no control over the seat going backwards and forwards on it's own.
As I understand it, the movement of the seats was hydraulically controlled - which means that the engine would power the seat's movement, rather than the person sitting in the seat.
That just cannot be correct. It implies the seat occupant has no control over the seat going backwards and forwards on it's own.
/// manufacturers need to assess if there needs to be a failsafe to prevent the seat continuing its trajectory it is meets any resistance, ///
A good point Andy - I understand that electrically operated windows and sun-roofs have undergone some modifications after some particularly gruesome accidents.
A good point Andy - I understand that electrically operated windows and sun-roofs have undergone some modifications after some particularly gruesome accidents.
Sparklykid - // That just cannot be correct. It implies the seat occupant has no control over the seat going backwards and forwards on it's own. //
The point I was making is - if the driver or passenger press a button to move the seat, it is moved by engine power, until the driver or passenger stops it.
The problem is, if the seat meets an obstruction, there may be no safety cut-off to prevent the seat from continuing its movement, until it is turned off, regardless of anything - and in this case, the body of a child - proving to be an obstruction.
Therefore, if the father is too stupid to realise that he is actually crushing his child, the mechanism does not stop as a safety cut-out, which would have prevented this tragedy.
The point I was making is - if the driver or passenger press a button to move the seat, it is moved by engine power, until the driver or passenger stops it.
The problem is, if the seat meets an obstruction, there may be no safety cut-off to prevent the seat from continuing its movement, until it is turned off, regardless of anything - and in this case, the body of a child - proving to be an obstruction.
Therefore, if the father is too stupid to realise that he is actually crushing his child, the mechanism does not stop as a safety cut-out, which would have prevented this tragedy.
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