Referendum

[spathiphyllum]

Shamima Begum


Allow her return or Prevent it?

[fiction-factory]

No ellipsis- not if Sharon had joined ISIS, married a Dutch terrorist wanted for terrorism in Holland, and shown little remorse

[spathiphyllum]

no, it's the ideology not the skin colour, religion or nationality. Anyone who thinks that kind of thing (going to join ISIS, going to syria for ISIS) is even slightly acceptable is a threat to society as a whole.

If they had not left the country in the first place it would be different, but they acted quite strongly on their thoughts at the time. That is worrying i think. How do we know they were not further radicalised whilst with ISIS? What kind of message does it send to the world if we're allowing known extremists to return to the UK simply because they now want healthcare and a better way of life? What if they give birth and then want to go back to syria? There are loads of factors, easiest is to let her lay in the bed she made for herself.

The interview videos do not help her either, if anything they are a deterant to not want her back. She admitted to knowing about the beheadings and thinking they were acceptable. Has she not broken any laws?

It's a very complex, deep issue one i've not got a load of knowledge on as i've not been following her story. I've only seen her news interviews and frankly, they're scary.

[Ellipsis]

Is there to some extent an element of victim blaming in your position?

[naomi24]

spath, // it's the ideology not the skin colour, religion or nationality//

Strike religion from that list. They're all Muslim... all of them.

[spathiphyllum]

Ellipsis, yes i guess so. But when does she stop being a victim and start being part of a terrorist organisation? How can we trust her words?

And Naomi, the specific religion is moot it's the ideology that stems from it.

Saying "they're all Muslims" tarnishes the entire religion with the same brush. And we know the majority of Muslims are not like this at all. Just a few extremists.

[naomi24]

spath, //the specific religion is moot //

How can it be? Only one religion is involved. There's no discrepancy.

[spathiphyllum]

because it's not the religion that's doing damage, it's the ideology. the Muslim surgeon down the road isn't a threat because he's Muslim because he doesn't share these extremist ideologies. To say the issue is Muslims is false. The issues is with extremists and people who are frankly deluded.

Muslim surgeon down the road will say this woman is not a true Muslim, and this woman will say Muslim surgeon is not a true Muslim.. Who's right? who cares fact is a Muslim isn't a threat an extremist or a deluded person is.

[naomi24]

Sigh ....

[Canary42]

Yet another thread for xenophobes to spout their bile.

[naomi24]

Canary, twice in a couple of minutes you've posted that and both times it's been inappropriate. If you want to avoid making the same mistake yet again, look the word up.

[andres]

Bring her back, put her on trial and imprison her for life. At least we would know where she is. Different matter for the baby ,who is Dutch nationality. Don't know what would happen to him.

[hereIam]

Keep the ***** out !!

[spathiphyllum]

I, unfortunately, (i think due to lack of information) sway to the keep her the hell away from the UK group.

[spathiphyllum]

Andres baby is just a poor innocent soul. Honestly, god bless it.

Imagine when he's 18 looking back at the articles of his mum going to join ISIS then wanting to come back

[andres]

The baby is not our problem. He is a Dutch national .

[spathiphyllum]

I never said he was. I simply said he's innocent. He is.