European Renaissance,,,,,,,,

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/french-president-emmanuel-macron-urges-europeans-to-take-back-control-and-avoid-brexit-trap-11655410
Can the unelected star chamber of the EUSSR ever be diverted from their "project"?

[agchristie]

I think Macron needs to get his own maison in order.Those yellow jackets have blinded him....

[Old_Geezer]

"Raising the prospect of the UK remaining in a two or three-speed EU..."
The speed is less important than the direction; especially when already far too far down the wrong road. To reform satisfactorily it'd need to tear up all the closer union federalist bits to start with. That won't happen. When something has become a mess it's often better to start again and scrap the old. Try concentrating on trade next time.

[KARL]

Old_Geezer, "When something has become a mess...start again....". That seems a reasonable suggestion. Now, about that referendum.....

[Old_Geezer]

That was the cue for the EU to start again. The referendum was fine (well, save for government funding of remain leaflets and fear stories).

[New Judge]

"Old_Geezer, "When something has become a mess...start again....". That seems a reasonable suggestion. Now, about that referendum....."

The referendum wasn't a mess, Karl. It was a perfectly straightforward exercise with two possible outcomes. Politicians have made the mess by refusing to implement the result as promised.

[agchristie]

//It was a perfectly straightforward exercise with two possible outcomes//

...and then it descended into more permutations than football pools plans!

[Old_Geezer]

They keep being suggested, by the undemocratic, but as yet we're still marching towards the 29th.

[New Judge]

"They keep being suggested, by the undemocratic, but as yet we're still marching towards the 29th."

I'm afraid I don't share your optimism, OG. Next week will see the "agreement" voted down again by Parliament, then will follow the rejection of the option of "No Deal" and then will follow a delay to Brexit. Whenever the new deadline is, the same farce will be repeated. The EU will not alter its offer, Parliament will not agree to it and they will not countenance No Deal. The EU has no need to do anything because our politicians have done it all for them.

[Theland]

I agree. Traitors in parliament.

[Peter Pedant]

count down to dont give a damn day - 24 d

heavens what will be the daily post, post-Brexit?