Caster Semenya Looses Case

[youngmafbog]

Victory for the women who race?

I can't see this going away anytime soon so how will this end up, one race for everyone or a separate race for those classed in between?


https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/may/01/caster-semenya-loses-landmark-legal-case-iaaf-athletics

[youngmafbog]

A big thank you to those who stuck to the topic.

[pixie374]

We tried, ymb. We tried x

[youngmafbog]

I know pixie.

[mushroom25]

//I think it would be a really interesting experiment, but probably not safe really, to take a group of say male athletes and female athletes and give them the reverse hormone treatment to see how they fair against each other and a group of ‘normal’ athletes. //

it will probably bring the performance of each group closer to convergence, but the physiological differences cannot be altered. X-Y people have a heavier bone structure and narrower hips as compared to X-X people. regardless of fiddling with hormones and other "treatments" to modify muscle mass or stamina, but X-Y will always have a performance advantage.

I suspect in the end equality and inclusivity will be the winner, and X-X people will just be told to "man up" (ta-daa!) if they want to win in the brave new gender fluid future.

[hereIam]

Thanks pixie.

[pixie374]

X

[Spicerack]

youngmafbog ///and 90% of the posts are on ruddy colour.///
Lol.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Can someone establish the essential fact for this (very lazy poster), please? Is this a real woman with an accidentally - maybe freakish - high level of a male hormone, or is it Bruce Jenner deciding to rebrand himself gender-wise in order to get gold in the women's heptathlon?

My own view on this case would be determined by that answer.

[anotheoldgit]

youngmafbog

I am sorry to have took your thread off track, but I was just bringing another factor into the debate after reading your comment regarding separate races.

/// I can't see this going away any time soon so how will this end up, one race for everyone or a separate race for those classed in between? ///

[Cloverjo]

V_e, caster is a woman who was born with internal testes which is why she has high testosterone levels. Her genitalia look female and she was raised as a girl.

[woofgang]

Setting aside the related but different issue of athletes who transition, I feel very sorry for this young woman who seems to be caught up in a time when these issues are first coming to light. I suspect that in 20 or even 10 years time, the way she has been treated will be viewed with horror. I suspect that Pixie’s comments are based on the facts as we understand them now which is maybe all that can be done now, but I also think that room should be left in our understanding and judgement (and you do sound a bit judgey, pixie) for the facts that we don’t know or fully understand yet. Do we know if all female athletes are required to prove their natural testosterone levels fall within prescribed limits or was she singled out for some reason?

[Sqad]

Cloverjo....quite...but what is her genotype?
If she is a woman then she should have the XX sex chromosome, but if she has XXY all the characteristics of a male, then she is male.
I am not happy with the definition of sexuality by hormone levels.
All athletes should be genotyped and only 2 admitted for athletic competition...XX an XY...if you are neither, then you don't compete at county or international level.

[pixie374]

Yes sqad. And yes, woof, naturally... no idea which end of the stick you got for the rest though x

[Sqad]

pixie...the "rest" are just that, the "rest" and although it is tough, then life is and they do not compete at county or international level.

I thought that there was a move to keep drugs OUT of athletics, now it seems that that there is a move to introduce them to the "intergroup."

difficult problem, but i stand by my solution.

[pixie374]

No, I agree sqad. My comment was to woof, about being "judgey", which everyone has been and made no sense really.

[Sqad]

LOL..OK pixie.

[naomi24]

I haven't read all the posts but I trust that men identifying as women will now be barred from competing in women's sport.