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Is It Right For The Us Democrats To Blame Trump For These Deaths?
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Or are they just using this tragedy to further their election hopes with more Trump bashing?
Or are they just using this tragedy to further their election hopes with more Trump bashing?
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Naomi: I am not even remotely implying that Trump is responsible for the whole of this. I'm getting bored of you claiming that you only go on what I write, then failing to read it, least of all understand it. All I was saying by my earlier post is that Trump has blamed the Democrats for this mess, time and again.
The problems in El Salvador etc are clearly primarily El Salvador's problem, but countries in that sort of position are bound to be reliant on foreign aid and investment from countries that can afford it -- the US included. Moreover, it is clearly becoming the US's problem at least indirectly, because the state of El Salvador is such that people are motivated to leave there in large numbers and seek better lives elsewhere. If the only response of the US is to close its borders then that neither stops people trying to enter the US anyway, nor addresses the root issue. Cutting off aid merely exacerbates the problem -- and while aid was going to the country it was making a positive difference.
The problems in El Salvador etc are clearly primarily El Salvador's problem, but countries in that sort of position are bound to be reliant on foreign aid and investment from countries that can afford it -- the US included. Moreover, it is clearly becoming the US's problem at least indirectly, because the state of El Salvador is such that people are motivated to leave there in large numbers and seek better lives elsewhere. If the only response of the US is to close its borders then that neither stops people trying to enter the US anyway, nor addresses the root issue. Cutting off aid merely exacerbates the problem -- and while aid was going to the country it was making a positive difference.
And, again, while I'm at it, the rest of my post also stated that "all sides in the US are too busy blaming each other to do anything about it." How exactly is that supporting a contention that Trump is the only person to blame?
It's pathetic, it really is, that you keep addressing what you *think* I said, rather than what I actually said.
It's pathetic, it really is, that you keep addressing what you *think* I said, rather than what I actually said.
As horrific as it is that this lovely child died in that way, and it is horrific, I definitely do not think it is Trump's fault. Sadly her parents risked her life to escape from where they live, but why does everybody else (i.e. Trump in USA or our government here) have to be responsible for the hell holes other peope live in - why aren't their governments and powers that be brought to book ??
On the BBC report about this yesterday it was made pretty clear that even the victim's relatives are bemoaning the situation in their home countries, and pleading with other young people not to leave, rather than blaming the US in general or Trump specifically. I support that.
Is this clear enough now?
Is this clear enough now?
jim, perhaps if you didn't flip-flop around so much your intentions might be clearer. I'm not alone in finding your posts contradictory - as you know.
As far as I can see Trump's primary concern is the US - and that should be any US president's priority. The US cannot be responsible for the state of other countries - and it simply cannot open its doors to the world and his wife.
As far as I can see Trump's primary concern is the US - and that should be any US president's priority. The US cannot be responsible for the state of other countries - and it simply cannot open its doors to the world and his wife.
That would be lovely, but there is no sense in which I have flip-flopped in this thread -- and indeed I reject the accusation that I do in general. On the other hand, you do love to invent charges against me, and I'll thank you to be at least a little slower to pull out some BS charge that I'm calling Trump the Devil Incarnate. I think he's a bad president and pursues many bad policies, but then we all have politicians we don't like without thinking them evil.
Funding the wall is just one issue to do with the border issue. The Democrats are not willing to give an inch and won’t fund the House bill because it doesn’t allow for less restrictions.
In their relentless Trump derangement they will go to any lengths to blame Trump. They gaslight and make everything his fault when they are plainly to blame.
But it surprises me no end and amuses me N equal measures that even liberals can’t see what they are doing. Or that it is wrong.
Gaslight gaslight gaslight.
In their relentless Trump derangement they will go to any lengths to blame Trump. They gaslight and make everything his fault when they are plainly to blame.
But it surprises me no end and amuses me N equal measures that even liberals can’t see what they are doing. Or that it is wrong.
Gaslight gaslight gaslight.
I wonder what policies of his are wrong? There are probably some. No politician gets it right all the time but lowest unemployment and highest employment. Lowest black unemployment. A booming economy. Decimated Industries returning to the heartland of the US. First ever President to have talks with NK. A POTUS willing to be tough on countries and international organisations that have shafted the US or are not willing to pull their weight and getting results from that. Lower taxes. More money in the majority of everyday people.
Yes he’s doing a rubbish job and all without the help of the Senate. Just think how much more they could do if there weren’t Trump Derangement Syndrome lurking in every Democrat.
Yes he’s doing a rubbish job and all without the help of the Senate. Just think how much more they could do if there weren’t Trump Derangement Syndrome lurking in every Democrat.
This issue predates Trump and will last well beyond him. That much is clear. But there are still at least two massive flaws in cassa's attempt to pin the blame instead on the Democrats for resisting his policies. Firstly, as I have already pointed out, it is not the Democrats who have cut, or tried to cut, US funding for the countries of origin of these people and the many other migrants who try the same journey. That's on the current administration, and it will only serve to exacerbate the wider issue.
Secondly, when Obama was President, and even more so when Bush was president, the numbers of people crossing or attempting to cross the US border were on a long-term and significant decline (save for a bump in around 2014). Both parties were more or less cooperating in that time to deal with the issue and invest greater resources, and it was paying off. Democrats do care about border security, and even now the Democrat-controlled lower House has passed several large bills that would provide plenty of funding for increased security, including one only this week: https:/
This latest bill still has to pass through the Senate and Donald Trump, and hopefully that will happen very soon.
Thirdly, there's a context to the Democrat blocking of Trump that cassa's either ignoring or didn't appreciate, which is that Republicans basically spent the last two years of Obama's presidency blocking virtually everything he did or tried to do. Most notably that included trying, and failing, to destroy his Healthcare Act, refusing on dubious grounds to even let his Supreme Court nominee get near the Senate, and the last few Congresses of Obama's term were some of the least productive in terms of major legislation in US History. All of this has been conveniently ignored by Republicans and Trump supporters, who should not be surprised at the idea that Democrats are playing the same sorts of dirty trick as much as they can, and even more so now that Democrats have control of the House of Representatives. No doubt they are doing their best to stop Trump as much as possible, but in that regard it is no different from what Republicans were doing in Obama's term.
Yes, I disagree with much of Trump's approach. I find the rhetoric of "Mexico are sending us their rapists... some, I assume, are good people" more than a little distasteful. The fixation with a border wall, too -- completely unnecessary, when dropping that fixation would allow an easy compromise to be met more or less the next day that both parties would agree to. I do my best not to let that colour my view of latest developments, and probably fail from time to time. But in blaming Democrats for this, he, and cassa, are both wrong.
Secondly, when Obama was President, and even more so when Bush was president, the numbers of people crossing or attempting to cross the US border were on a long-term and significant decline (save for a bump in around 2014). Both parties were more or less cooperating in that time to deal with the issue and invest greater resources, and it was paying off. Democrats do care about border security, and even now the Democrat-controlled lower House has passed several large bills that would provide plenty of funding for increased security, including one only this week: https:/
This latest bill still has to pass through the Senate and Donald Trump, and hopefully that will happen very soon.
Thirdly, there's a context to the Democrat blocking of Trump that cassa's either ignoring or didn't appreciate, which is that Republicans basically spent the last two years of Obama's presidency blocking virtually everything he did or tried to do. Most notably that included trying, and failing, to destroy his Healthcare Act, refusing on dubious grounds to even let his Supreme Court nominee get near the Senate, and the last few Congresses of Obama's term were some of the least productive in terms of major legislation in US History. All of this has been conveniently ignored by Republicans and Trump supporters, who should not be surprised at the idea that Democrats are playing the same sorts of dirty trick as much as they can, and even more so now that Democrats have control of the House of Representatives. No doubt they are doing their best to stop Trump as much as possible, but in that regard it is no different from what Republicans were doing in Obama's term.
Yes, I disagree with much of Trump's approach. I find the rhetoric of "Mexico are sending us their rapists... some, I assume, are good people" more than a little distasteful. The fixation with a border wall, too -- completely unnecessary, when dropping that fixation would allow an easy compromise to be met more or less the next day that both parties would agree to. I do my best not to let that colour my view of latest developments, and probably fail from time to time. But in blaming Democrats for this, he, and cassa, are both wrong.
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