On This ‘Black Eye Friday’ Shouldn’T Those That Stretch Our Nhs To The Limit

[Bobbisox1]

Have an automatic fine slapped on them if it was alcohol infused ?
Obviously not those who are innocent of any fracas but get hurt, but those that cause trouble and put the services under strain should have to pay for the treatment they receive from hospitals

[hereIam]

Yes definitely as they also take up police time when they could be policing far more important things.

[Mamyalynne]

I can see and understand your point, the problem arises when they present with an injury, who is to judge and issue the fine?

NHS Staff may not be keen on performing that task.

[Bobbisox1]

I’d imagine if they were responsible then they’d be accompanied by a policeman Mamyalynn

[Mamyalynne]

I see, not just drunks who have fighting who wander in - worth thinking about.

[Bobbisox1]

It’s never going to happen but it would be beneficial to a overstretched NHS iF it was

[New Judge]

The "slapping on of automatic fines" has never worked well. Fixed Penalties work OK for many minor motoring offences but to impose penalties on drunks and anti-social miscreants is unlikely to produce much in the way of results. The penalties are unlikely to be paid, the matter will have to proceed to court and any advantages will swiftly be lost.

[Bobbisox1]

Yes unfortunately NJ ( always the wise man here ) and that’s meant in a good way

[Nical]

Police officers often accompany victims to A and E, they often don't have the opportunity before then to find out what has happened.

[Bobbisox1]

Nical I fully understand that such fines could never be implemented but these people that cause trouble and hurt people and themselves , get treat and are often abusive to those helping them, annoys me deeply

[Nical]

Me too,Bobbisox. I responded because of your 'accompanied by a policeman' remark, I felt that wasn't as significant, clear-cut as you might have thought.

[Bobbisox1]

It probably isn’t Nical, my annoyance likely clouded that

[Nical]

Thanks, Bobbisox - and it's an emotive subject!

[Old_Geezer]

But maybe the intoxicated individual with the injury was the victim of another. And you want to charge them on top ? No; running such a scheme would cost more than it was worth, even if you could find a fair way to implement it.

[Bobbisox1]

Yes it is Nical but I suppose voicing it helps the angst against it
Yep O-G :0/

[drmorgans]

Isn't it the lack of social care that is stretching our NHS? People being well enough to be discharged but their home isn't suitable. Or they lack the carers to help them live independently. Or cannot afford to pay for care.

[emmie]

i said the same a while ago, and for the most part those who responded were in agreement. Though there were dissenters who argued that those may be caught up in a punch up without being remotely responsible.
I think those who get off their faces on drink, drugs, shouldn't end up in A&E. But drunk tanks and charged
a nominal sum for their treatment.