Is There A Need For Feminism In The 21St Century

[Calvin7493]

Is there a need for feminism in the 21st century

[Mamyalynne]

Do you have a view on that Calvin?

[Baldric]

Duplicate question.

[johnny.5]

WHO ELSE IS GOING TO DO THE IRONING ?

[Apc2604]

It's a word I despise. It's sexist in my opinion.

[Buenchico]

Moderator's note: You posted the same question twice, so I removed the second one.

An interesting read, illustrating opposing views:
https://scan.lancastersu.co.uk/2019/02/05/the-great-debate-is-feminism-still-necessary-today/

[douglas9401]

As much as there's a need for Calvinism I suppose.

[johnny.5]

oh please let them keep burning their bras
I will volunteer to help

[jourdain2]

My generation fought very, very hard for equal rights. We've got them - legally etc.. What hasn't happened is that attitudes have changed properly, if you see what I mean. Women have ended up with the worst of both worlds in some scenarios. There is a need for adjustment and shuffling of roles and in the few areas where there is wage discrimination there exist (I'm pretty sure) pockets of inequality. Main problem is that of mental attitudes and I think that will be a very long-term solution, if, indeed, it can ever be overcome. Mr. J2 is a hugely enlightened male - aged 87 he does the ironing etc. because he's better at it than I; but there is still the prickly 'male' thing and the very slight implication (he'd deny it) that women are too fussy about slurs etc. and if we make something of it then we are at fault and are stirring up a quarrel. This reads all wrong, he's a lovely chap and does his very best, but it's what he grew up with.

[woofgang]

I think there is a need for peoplism....gender, sexual orientation, sexuality, declared gender, disability...shouldn't make any difference to the choices and opportunities people should have. Yes people have different abilities and limitations but gender shouldn't come into it.

[MallyJ]

Johnny.5 shows why feminism is still needed...sadly there are still many men with such attitudes and who think it is amusing to voice them.....including in the workplace etc.

[Mamyalynne]

Men and open fires eh?

[Apc2604]

Again, I agree with Woofy. That's why I hate the word feminism!

[Old_Geezer]

There is never a need for feminism. One should strive for equality instead.

[Buenchico]

^^^ I thought that one of the criticisms of some leading feminists is that they strive for 'equality', rather than for 'equal opportunity', O_G.

e.g. they seem determined to ensure that there are as many women driving buses and trains as there are men, that there as many women in executive positions as there are men and that there are all men and women play an equal role in child care, irrespective of whether all women (or, indeed, all men) actually want to achieve such things.

For example there might still be more women than men who want to stay at home to look after the kids. (I've no figures to indicate whether there are or aren't; I'm simply putting it forward as a possibility). What matters, surely, isn't the ratio of women to men involved in child care (or nursing, engineering or whatever) but whether both men and women have the same opportunities to take up their preferred roles if they so choose (and, of course, that those paths traditionally chosen by more women than men, such as looking after the kids, are given equal respect to those roles which have traditionally been more 'male orientated').

'Equal opportunity' makes sense to me. Raw 'equality' doesn't.

[Theland]

Yes equality of opportunity not equality of outcomes.

[wolf63]

A couple of years ago I read an academic type article about the lack of women working on building sites doing labouring.

I have never known a woman who would even consider this to be an interesting or acceptable job.