What Is The Latest On This Situation?

[Barsel]

Can a woman of 74 who doesn't live on her own go on a long car journey with another woman who does live alone who is 80 yrs old. Neither are shielding.Would the police stop them to ask if they are from the same household?Thanks

[AuntPollyGrey]

woofgang stop complicating things lol!

[Buenchico]

Some of the above is getting me confused!

The rule is that 'bubbles' (as the politicians and health advisors call them) or 'links (as they're actually referred to within the Regulations) must be EXCLUSIVE. If Household A and Household B form a link/bubble together, neither of them is allowed to form a link/bubble with Household C (or D or E or, etc, etc).

The 80yo in the question has already formed a link/bubble with another household (where her family members reside), so she CAN'T now form a link/bubble with the household where the 74yo resides.

Woofgang's assertion that there's no restriction on travelling together in cars is simply WRONG. A car is an 'enclosed space' as far as the legislation on smoking is concerned and it's that legislation which is then used by the coronavirus Regulations to define 'indoors'. So two or more people (from different households) in the same car constitutes an 'indoor gathering' as far as the Regulations are concerned.

[woofgang]

Buenchico, people are still allowed to use taxis and car hire.

[Buenchico]

There are exemptions for work purposes (including the provision and use of public transport), Woofgang.

From the Cambridgeshire Constabulary website:
"[Q:] Can I share a private vehicle with someone from another household?

[A]:] No. You can only travel in a private vehicle alone, or with members of your household."

https://www.cambs.police.uk/information-and-services/Coronavirus-COVID-19/Coronavirus-COVID-19-FAQs2

[Barsel]

I apologise if I have come across as being rude but I was hoping that something I consider to be complicated could be explained to me in a very simple way. I realise there are different situations and I have tried to set it out as best as I can and all I wanted was a simple yes or no answer.
Chris [A]:] No. You can only travel in a private vehicle alone, or with members of your household."
If this is the latest advice I will phone my friend and tell her she shouldn't go.

[woofgang]

interesting......

[New Judge]

//A car is an 'enclosed space' as far as the legislation on smoking is concerned...//

Is it? So I can't smoke in my car, then?

[New Judge]

Or do you mean that it is "enclosed" only if it is a shared company vehicle?

[Buenchico]

This is getting complicated!

There's a difference between an 'enlosed space' and a 'public enclosed space', NJ. All cars are 'enclosed spaces' but only 'public' cars (such as rental cars or company vehicles used by more than one driver) are 'public enclosed spaces'. The coronavirus Regulations rely solely upon the defintion of an 'enclosed space' (rather than a 'public enclosed space') to define 'indoors'.

[New Judge]

Thanks, Chris. I hadn't looked into it too deeply because I don't need to form any "bubbles". But I think (as this thread demonstrates) the regulations are becoming ridiculously complicated and it is no wonder many people are confused.

[Canary42]

All this complicated ruling from Bumbler and Cunnings is plain daft - the virus is no respecter of laws.

"No no Virus, you can't go there, it's a legal bubble" - don't make me laugh.

[jourdain2]

How about just ignoring it all; making your own risk assessment and then just plead confusion/ignorance (which is true - no-one seems really to understand it)? I wouldn't worry, highly unlikely to be stopped. The point about public loos is more of a problem, however.

[ichkeria]

“ ichkeria Can anyone be confident that they are not a risk?“

Well yes they can. Depending on where they’ve been. Self isolating for weeks etc.
If they’re confident then I’d say it’s fine and the “rules” don’t matter

[Barsel]

Neither of them have been self isolating.
My friend the 74 yr old lives with her 2 adult sons who go out and come home. They do not live in self isolation.
The 80 yr old visits her family, they visit her, not self isolating, so neither can be 100% they are both safe.