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16.46, and 16.41 stop twisting this thread to suit you ,I am not having a dig at the Occasion I have every respect for the Vets and what they went through and I thank them and admire them , But when you see Charles, with more medals on his chest than they have and the soft easy life he has led , he just did not look much younger than they did , so do not try and twist this thread to make me look mr nasty OK. The shame is on you Vulcan and Mamyalynne