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bednobs, I think it really important to know whether I am getting near being "seen" - to me having no idea at all is a real pain. Yes, sometime (queues abroad) I have leapt forward by two or three numbers in one go because there is more than one person taking the calls. If after 40 minutes waiting you have gone from 36th to 7th in the queue it helps to know - 40 minutes of "your call is important to us, very busy, as soon as possible" and no indication whatever is intensely irritating, I find.