B&W Brilliance.

[allenlondon]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y6fKVKtNIi82kiMxGyj_warSIqxmEkEm/view?usp=sharing

A picture by the wonderful Chris Killip who has died.

The photo has been described as summing up Thatcherism. Very powerful, very moving.

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[royfromaus]

It's an illness.

[Mozz71]

I'm no fan of the Milk Snatcher, but comparing her to Hitler?

Pathetic.

[david small]

My wife and I cried when she got elected. We knew what was to come.

[AuntPollyGrey]

This OP is about a NON-POLITICAL very talented photographer who recently died.

[allenlondon]

“I am not on a tirade against Thatcher – I wanted to point out that they are all equally to blame.” (Chris Killip).

Fair comment. They ARE all equally to blame, thatcher amongst the worst of them.

I didn’t turn this thread into a political one - Killip’s photograph’s did that.

[Mamyalynne]

It's unfortunate that you used a phrase to describe 'Youth on a wall' that Chris himself distanced himself from - often better to let the audience say what they think without leading them.

[Prudie]

My first thought on seeing the picture for the first time - it's a still from Trainspotting. Reading the answers on here it seems even the photographer didn't want to assign it to Thatcherism or politics. We don't even know it wasn't posed, most art is after all. So it's you who's made it political.

[allenlondon]

See Killip’s quote in my 19.51 post.

[Mamyalynne]

Yes, I also posted that quote @ 14.36.

[allenlondon]

Point being, Prudie, that anything with an element of social commentary is by definition political, isn’t it?

[Prudie]

Well not necessarily, this could be someone addled by drugs, or heartbroken because he's been dumped, or his parents have split up or full of regret for something he's done or even posed by a model. Social problems possibly but not political. You are implying his posture could only have been brought about by poverty, joblessness and despair caused by a politician/government.

[royfromaus]

I wonder why allen didn't just post all the pics from the Guardian?


https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2020/oct/14/sprouts-skinheads-sundays-and-supermarkets-chris-killip-in-pictures

[gulliver1]

Thatcher was a typical Conservative . All for me and non for all. They just can't help it can they.

[allenlondon]

Gulliver’s point “Thatcher was a typical Conservative . All for me and none for all. They just can't help it can they.” is spot on.

It also applies to their supporters, whether the lunatic extremes (such as T3) or the mildest (like Prudie). They just can’t help it, and all reason flies out of the window.

Gormless, was what a certain Peter P called them.

[ToraToraTora]

mushroom: "well he had a precedent to follow. in 1974 with a miner's strike and 3-day week in full swing, Edward Heath called an election under the slogan "Who governs Britain?" the electorate decided it wasn't Heath and he was consigned to the back benches. " - Heath was a classic wet, hated TGL because she had the guts to take on the unions where as he cowered, putting in things like the 3 day week. So it was that the last Labour Government almost half a century ago was elected to manage our morph into a Soviet Bloc outpost. TGL had other ideas, cometh the hour cometh the Iron Lady in 1979. Thank you MrsT, thank you for pulling us back from the brink.

[ToraToraTora]

there's your BA allen ^^^^

[ToraToraTora]

allen: "I didn’t turn this thread into a political one - Killip’s photograph’s did that" - you did when you included this "The photo has been described as summing up Thatcherism." - when even the photographer himself didn't accept it and the picture was taken in 1976! If that's not seeding a political argument I don't know what is.

[ToraToraTora]

allen: "It also applies to their supporters, whether the lunatic extremes (such as T3)" - so I'm a lunatic because I'm not a Champagne Socialist?? right oh!

[allenlondon]

Ranting, raving. All comments irrelevant.