First Covid Cases

[eve1974]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-daughter-first-uk-103200151.html

Interestingly we know someone who was laid up in bed late Dec 2019 with covid like symptoms.... and.... he had just come back from business trip to .... yup WUHAN !

When covid “broke” U.K. shores / news he called his dr to tell him he’d been ill with similar in the Dec after his trip to Wuhan but apparently was dismissed.

[gness]

Just been reading that, Eve. It's something we have wondered about. Shortly after Christmas Eve in the pub with locals and overseas tourists Dave and I both became ill, as did a number of villagers.

I've had 'flu once and rarely get a cold. This illness lasted most of January and was my lifetime's share of 'flu, coughs and colds in one go.
It took both of us a very long time to feel fully recovered and I know there are others who were the same.

[Peter Pedant]

erm not so much is there a question
but
so there was an index case - erm yeah
and when he said - is this SARS or some uvva killer disease?

the GP didnt even say - I havent done any tropical gemeral practice but the answer is no
the GP said something shorter

and since there are 138 countries in the world that must have occurred 138 times

[ToraToraTora]

In Jan 2020 I was rough for a couple of weeks, just put it down to a cold.

[archibaldy]

There's a good documentary on BBC about what the Chinese knew and what they didn't tell the world, it's pretty shocking seeing as where the world is now with it.

Regarding 'reported cases' in China, the 'confirmation' of a case this could only be done at a high up government level in Beijing, not at the hospitals where they were detecting the cases. So although there were many 'reported' cases by the hospitals, there were only a ridiculously low number of 'confirmed' cases.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000rqy2/54-days-series-1-1-china-and-the-pandemic

[fiveleaves]

I believe I had Covid-19 in the first week of January 2020. It wasn't even in the news then. The symtoms I had including loss of taste seem consistent with Covid.
Never seriously ill and was back at work but still coughing a lot after 3 days

[Sunk]

The first death hadn’t come back from a business trip to Wuhan.
// "It just seems crazy to me that we live where we do, my father hadn't even stepped outside the country his entire life, let alone recently," she said. //

[jourdain2]

I've mentioned this before. A friend and his partner were on a cruise in Dec. and almost everyone on board came down with a terrible virus. He says he has never felt so ill. His partner works for traffic police so was tested earlier than most (not having suffered any illness since cruise) and proved to have antibodies to covid19. It has been officially reported.

Another friend became ill in mid-Jan. with what she described as the worst ever virus. This was the last Sat. in Jan when she was determined to get to 'Coffee,Cake & a Chat' morning. Everyone told me she looked terrible. Admitted to hospital Monday, pneumonia developed that evening, sepsis followed on Wednesday and she died on Thursday. Had been a healthy 75 yr. old before then. Sounds rather like Covid to us all now - but no-one else got it because she was keeping away from direct contact with others. Her husband has not been at all ill.
It seems that Covid has been loose much longer than we were told.

[Peter Pedant]

// Admitted to hospital Monday, pneumonia developed that evening, sepsis followed on Wednesday and she died on Thursday.//

I ditched a longer contribution on the subject
did anyone die? and yup see above - not so much serology but there were dead people involved shows it is a true bill

the cruise where everyone went bleeeeuch and then stepped onto the dockside and went bleeeegh again - if there were not deaths was more likely to be norovirus

Am I saying that a cruise where all the many and various 80 y olds go bleeeech and no one dies CAN'T be covid ?
yeah I am actually

and Jourdain - did anyone from the coffee morning get it?
amazing if no one did

( here no coffee mornings, few bank robberies, and two deaths)

[Bazile]

//COVID-19: Daughter of first UK victim questions when coronavirus arrived in the country//

How does she know he was the first in this country ?

[Peter Pedant]

from my much longer literary destroyed contribution

Last week in Feb Egypt I got gout ( systemically - temp etc) and I thought they thought I was gonna die ( but I didnt)

and on the As-sarah, the tourists DID start dying and the boat was tied up outside Luxor for two weeks and allowed to burn out. the disease that is. Reported in their local press ( Times of India) which I cant now find, but I think 7 /21 died. Bang Bang - armed men outside. Didnt stop the spread to Luxor of course

[Peter Pedant]

earliest case - can be judged on 1) time and the2) RNA sequence - with the changes, you can say A begets B which begat C

I am not sure what the significance is - impt for the Chinee govt to say "not us" whereas even if it found in Tutankhamum mummy ( nefertitt I think geddit) the ourbreak started with many cases and deaths at Wuhan
and not civitavecchia or wherever

[Sunk]

Bazile

// How does she know he was the first in this country ? //

It tells you in the link.
He died a month before the previously confirmed first victim. She asked for his tissue samples to be tested several months later, and that confirmed Covid.

[tamborine]

Wait till HK brits arrive with their own strain :(

[THECORBYLOON]

BAZILLE, he died the day before the then first case of Covid in the UK had been confirmed.

He had been admitted to hospital weeks before so it appears to be safe to say he is the first confirmed person to have had Covid in the UK.

[gulliver1]

10.10 .Legal immigrants , SSSSHHHHH !

[Peter Pedant]

a million cases and 100 000 deaths
a chinee with a snardy nose with make not a ha'porth of difference

but does allow us to indulge in the fave AB sport of x-phobia

are we talking earliest Brit case or earliest Wuhan case? or bofe

One of the big mistakes in retro was thinking that isolation worked really well - whch it did in SARS