Litter Louts Beware

[tiggerblue10]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-56255823

I hope this is a deterrent. What do you think?

[ummmm]

We've had this in our town centre for a few years. Even dropping a cigarette butt would land you with an £80 fine.

Rightly so as well. They have speakers and will tell people to pick up their litter and put it in the bin.

[aelmpvw]

looks ok to me, why is it described as potentially controversial?

[TrevorThePug]

"why is it described as potentially controversial?"

No idea, maybe
a) big brother watching you
b) the registered keeper of the vehicle gets the fine not the litterererer

I don't see why the AI cams can't have snipers on them. Far too much paperwork with this fine in the post method.

[bluemoon1]

They will just drive round the corner where there are no cameras.

[TonyV]

I Hate littering tigger, even though there are plenty of litter bins in our small town there are lots of people who can't be bothered to use them. I once confronted some youngsters whilst they were playing football with a coke can waiting for the school bus, pointed out where the bin was, after a little stand off, the can was put in the bin.

[ToraToraTora]

ummm: "We've had this in our town centre for a few years. Even dropping a cigarette butt would land you with an £80 fine" - it's always puzzled me why smokers are incapable of using a bin. Even when there is a bin there for the purpose. For example work smoking shed is always knee deep in smoking paraphernalia, puzzling.

[ToraToraTora]

TTP; "b) the registered keeper of the vehicle gets the fine not the litterererer" - then they'll charge the litterer and more importantly stop people throwing waste out of their window
"I don't see why the AI cams can't have snipers on them. Far too much paperwork with this fine in the post method. " - good idea, I agree, litterers are scum if this helps then great.

[New Judge]

//b) the registered keeper of the vehicle gets the fine not the litterererer//

I agree that aspect is controversial. Imposing penalties on a person for the misdemeanours of another is quite wrong (unless the "others" are minors). However, it's not as bad as it seems. The UK is unusual (I might say unique, but I'm not quite sure) in Europe when it insists on identifying the driver of a vehicle before imposing penalties for criminal motoring offences such as speeding. In many countries on the Continent the keeper of the vehicle is penalised for such offences.

[ToraToraTora]

bluemoon: "hey will just drive round the corner where there are no cameras. " - from that video they look like the thousands of general cameras on buildings and there appear to be no warning signs, I'd say it'd be difficult to know where they are.

[ummmm]

I agree with you, TTT, no excuse.

I know you think I'm some sort of a fag ash Lil but I'm not. I hate littering of any kind, it's thoughtless and lazy.

[dannyk13]

Might be to motorists, but what about pedestrians who litter? Far more of them.

[emmie]

good plan, shame they can't do same for fly tipping which seems to be a permanent curse.

[ToraToraTora]

judge: "In many countries on the Continent the keeper of the vehicle is penalised for such offences. " - but surely that is against every judiciary maxim. If I lent someone my car and they picked up a speeding ticket and I got the fine and points that would be wrong on every level surely? Now I can understand drivers being responsible for the car they are driving with regards too seatbelts and now littering. (of course in these cases too the driver may not be the keeper)

[Old_Geezer]

One can see the use in such a situation as it hopefully would prevent antisocial behaviour. But any increase in authorities extending the surveillance society should be cause for concern. History has shown that such powers don't end well for the citizens.