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"Swamped With Immigrants"
Remember how Brexiteers promised us we would be swamped with immigrants if we stayed in EU.
Looks like they got that wrong too, figures have doubled since Brexit (according to the Daily Telegraph, so it must be right).
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Looks like they got that wrong too, figures have doubled since Brexit (according to the Daily Telegraph, so it must be right).
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No Bobbi, it's not wrong to want to curb immigration - if that's what people in the UK want. They can make their requirements known via Parliament. The problem was that whilst we were members of the EU neither the electorate nor Parliament had any control over immigration from the EU.
However, this question is not so much about that. It is seeking to suggest that, since we are now no longer an EU member, illegal entries by people arriving by unorthodox means (which some also term "immigration") should have ceased on 1st January courtesy of the government's vow to take back control of our borders.
This is clearly nonsense and simply demonstrates that, since the UK has not disappeared up its own exhaust following its "commission of suicide", the Remainers have been scurrying round to find other straws to clutch.
However, this question is not so much about that. It is seeking to suggest that, since we are now no longer an EU member, illegal entries by people arriving by unorthodox means (which some also term "immigration") should have ceased on 1st January courtesy of the government's vow to take back control of our borders.
This is clearly nonsense and simply demonstrates that, since the UK has not disappeared up its own exhaust following its "commission of suicide", the Remainers have been scurrying round to find other straws to clutch.
//What I'm saying is don't pretend that Brexit wasn't in a large part, to do with immigration.//
And, as I've asked before, so what if it was? The electorate had clearly been uneasy for some time over what they saw as an unsatisfactory situation. They tried to persuade their government to do something about it; the government responded that it could not whilst the UK remained an EU member. Hence the vote in July 2016. It ain't rocket science.
And, as I've asked before, so what if it was? The electorate had clearly been uneasy for some time over what they saw as an unsatisfactory situation. They tried to persuade their government to do something about it; the government responded that it could not whilst the UK remained an EU member. Hence the vote in July 2016. It ain't rocket science.
//And, as I've asked before, so what if it was?//
I couldn't give a monkeys if it was Judge, as that's history now. However, that's no reason to rewrite that history into something it wasn't. If it was to do with immigration, then folk should own the fact. It doesn't change anything to admit the truth, as Tora has refused to do repeatedly on this thread.
I couldn't give a monkeys if it was Judge, as that's history now. However, that's no reason to rewrite that history into something it wasn't. If it was to do with immigration, then folk should own the fact. It doesn't change anything to admit the truth, as Tora has refused to do repeatedly on this thread.
//I couldn't give a monkeys if it was Judge,...//
Then why keep mentioning it as if it is some sort of cardinal sin? People voted the way they did (both Leave and Remain) for all sorts of reasons.
//Remember the billboard poster featured in this link Judge?//
No I don’t, actually. The main reason is that I paid virtually no heed to anybody, politicians or otherwise, in the run up to the referendum. As I’ve said previously on here, I made my decision which way I would vote, if ever given the chance, 24 years earlier. At that time immigration from the EU was nowhere near such a contentious issue that it became. One of the reasons for this was that in 1992 the EU consisted of just 12 fairly similar economies (with the possible exceptions of Greece and Portugal). There were no members which had economies so vastly different to the others which would drive the large scale economic migration that was seen.
This questions seeks to conflate the legal migration which took place during the previous ten years, particularly following the EU’s eastern expansion, with the illegal landings made by people from outside the EU. The two are not the same and nobody I know believed that Brexit would solve the problems caused by the latter.
//Population of uk 2016 = 65.38million - referendum vote.
Population of Uk 2020= 67.61 million ,
Not working is it Brexiteers.//
I don’t usually respond to your posts for obvious reasons, mainly that they are usually silly. This one is no exception in that respect but I'll make one this time. The UK had to follow the EU’s “freedom of movement” mantra until two months ago. This meant about four and a half years of continued uncontrolled EU migration. So your comparison adds nothing to this debate. More than that, the UK’s population will continue to grow. The difference is that it can now choose who it wants to legally settle here, which was one of the benefits of our departure. In any case, since you (allegedly) don’t live in the UK I don’t know why you’re so worried.
//i was one who wanted gimmgrants stopped from entering,,,we don't need bombers[manchester],machette killers,or vile preachers,nor do we need a religeon of peace//
Unfortunately your wish will not be addressed by Brexit and if you voted to leave with that expectation you will be disappointed.
Then why keep mentioning it as if it is some sort of cardinal sin? People voted the way they did (both Leave and Remain) for all sorts of reasons.
//Remember the billboard poster featured in this link Judge?//
No I don’t, actually. The main reason is that I paid virtually no heed to anybody, politicians or otherwise, in the run up to the referendum. As I’ve said previously on here, I made my decision which way I would vote, if ever given the chance, 24 years earlier. At that time immigration from the EU was nowhere near such a contentious issue that it became. One of the reasons for this was that in 1992 the EU consisted of just 12 fairly similar economies (with the possible exceptions of Greece and Portugal). There were no members which had economies so vastly different to the others which would drive the large scale economic migration that was seen.
This questions seeks to conflate the legal migration which took place during the previous ten years, particularly following the EU’s eastern expansion, with the illegal landings made by people from outside the EU. The two are not the same and nobody I know believed that Brexit would solve the problems caused by the latter.
//Population of uk 2016 = 65.38million - referendum vote.
Population of Uk 2020= 67.61 million ,
Not working is it Brexiteers.//
I don’t usually respond to your posts for obvious reasons, mainly that they are usually silly. This one is no exception in that respect but I'll make one this time. The UK had to follow the EU’s “freedom of movement” mantra until two months ago. This meant about four and a half years of continued uncontrolled EU migration. So your comparison adds nothing to this debate. More than that, the UK’s population will continue to grow. The difference is that it can now choose who it wants to legally settle here, which was one of the benefits of our departure. In any case, since you (allegedly) don’t live in the UK I don’t know why you’re so worried.
//i was one who wanted gimmgrants stopped from entering,,,we don't need bombers[manchester],machette killers,or vile preachers,nor do we need a religeon of peace//
Unfortunately your wish will not be addressed by Brexit and if you voted to leave with that expectation you will be disappointed.
//Then why keep mentioning it as if it is some sort of cardinal sin? People voted the way they did (both Leave and Remain) for all sorts of reasons.//
I believe I answered that in the remainder (ironically) of my post that you replaced with the ellipsis. My argument wasn't against brexit for whatever reasons some chose to vote, but for accepting it for what it was.
Although I was a remainer, the emphasis for me is on the word "was". Now it's time to push together as one, even more desperately needed once lockdown is complete and normality (whatever that is) resumed.
I believe I answered that in the remainder (ironically) of my post that you replaced with the ellipsis. My argument wasn't against brexit for whatever reasons some chose to vote, but for accepting it for what it was.
Although I was a remainer, the emphasis for me is on the word "was". Now it's time to push together as one, even more desperately needed once lockdown is complete and normality (whatever that is) resumed.
