Diff Dep Ref2 - Draft Legislation......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56482881
I see they propose to use the same question as the one they used a generation ago: "Should Scotland be an independent country?" - now if it is allowed and if it goes ahead and if it's legal, would a "yes" answer effectively mean that Scotland could not join the EUSSR unless they they have another referendum?

[davebro]

Didn't they take the UK in without a referendum? If so I suppose they could apply but acceptance might not be a foregone conclusion.

[ToraToraTora]

Dave, I'm thinking morally, if people vote for independence then surely emerging them into a superstate shortly after would go against that and therefore, morally at least, should need confirmation from the people.

[davebro]

But if the majority of Scots who voted in the 2016 EU referendum voted to Remain...

[ToraToraTora]

the 2016 vote was UK wide, selecting areas that juxtapose the overall result is irrelevant. I suspect London voted remain, should they go independent?

[Sunk]

Where is 7 years a generation?

[Sunk]

Serious answer.

I think there would have to be an election before an Independent Scotland could join the EU.
It would have to be in the SNP’s manifesto that they would apply for EU membership if they win the election.

[davebro]

So if Scotland became independent (of the UK) and they did hold a join EU referendum, don't you think the vote would go in favour?

[mushroom25]

// Where is 7 years a generation? //

Coatbridge runs that one close........

[ToraToraTora]

sunk: "Where is 7 years a generation? " - well the last referendum was a "once in a generation" so I assumed the time since 2014 constituted a generation in Scotland.

[Peter Pedant]

// Dave, I'm thinking morally, //
o god I think I have seen it all

morally - anything could be the answer

legally they have been told that they have to be an independent sovereign state before they can apply

[Peter Pedant]

cant we get back to under-discussed hot potatoes like Brexit?

[THECORBYLOON]

The referendum is about independence from the UK but some folk appear to have problems comprehending that fact.

If the vote is for independence, Scotland won't leave the UK the day after, there will be a fair few year of negotiations to follow.

The same will apply to any application to join the EU and it might be any application would need to wait until independence terms have been agreed.

[Sunk]

In 2016,Mr Farage said that if the UK Brexit result was close, and he lost, then that would not be the end of it, and he would continue to campaign for Brexit until the tide turned.

Sturgeon is doing the exact same over Independence.

[tomus42]

It would be more accurate if the question was 'should Scotland leave the UK and then try to join the EU', but it doesn't matter too much as everyone knows that's what the vote would actually be.

[youngmafbog]

Seems a fair enough question, altering it would lead to claims of a fix by the SNP.

However I think the UK Government should run the referendum again but insist on both sides setting out how the next 20 years roadmap will pan out. So for remain it should include intentions ov investment in Scotland, whether there is intention to keep the Assemblies and the Barnet formula etc. And for the leave camp how what currency the intend to use and the surrounding economics, how money will be found to replace the jobs (military) that will have to be moved South, how their Military will work and what the intentions regarding the EU membership are. And above all all sides to agree there will not be any more referendums for at least 25 years.

Then let the people of Scotland decide.

[10ClarionSt]

There's one flaw in the OP. The question should be about joining the EUREICH, not the EUSSR.