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Mr Yusaf has had his application refused for the nursery of his choice, while another family have had their application accepted.
The fact that the second family were white British has led Mr Yusaf to conclude that his child was turned down on grounds of ethncity.
But reaching that conclusion, and proving it to the satisfaction of an official body, is a very different thing.
I am sure that the nursery in question will explain its policies in detail, and it may well be that they are entitled to turn down an application without actually being compelled to furnish background and an explanation to the satisfaction of the aggrieved applicant.
We will have to wait and see.
But in the meantime, I would second Corby's assessment - one incident in one nursey does not indicate racism, institutional or otherwise throughout the entire system across the entire country.
The fact that the second family were white British has led Mr Yusaf to conclude that his child was turned down on grounds of ethncity.
But reaching that conclusion, and proving it to the satisfaction of an official body, is a very different thing.
I am sure that the nursery in question will explain its policies in detail, and it may well be that they are entitled to turn down an application without actually being compelled to furnish background and an explanation to the satisfaction of the aggrieved applicant.
We will have to wait and see.
But in the meantime, I would second Corby's assessment - one incident in one nursey does not indicate racism, institutional or otherwise throughout the entire system across the entire country.
"The couple alleged they were told there were "no available spaces in the nursery" - the second time they said they had been turned down.
But they claimed that when a white friend asked if there were spaces for her two-year-old son, just two days later, the nursery told her places were available on three afternoons a week."
"Following the initial concerns from Mr Yousaf and his wife Nadia El-Nakla, a Daily Record investigation submitted applications with identical requirements to the nursery under the names Aqsa Akhtar and Susan Blake.
The newspaper said Aqsa Akhtar had her application rejected, but Susan Blake's was accepted and offered spaces."
It does appear that something might be amiss.
But they claimed that when a white friend asked if there were spaces for her two-year-old son, just two days later, the nursery told her places were available on three afternoons a week."
"Following the initial concerns from Mr Yousaf and his wife Nadia El-Nakla, a Daily Record investigation submitted applications with identical requirements to the nursery under the names Aqsa Akhtar and Susan Blake.
The newspaper said Aqsa Akhtar had her application rejected, but Susan Blake's was accepted and offered spaces."
It does appear that something might be amiss.
Corby - // But they claimed that when a white friend asked if there were spaces for her two-year-old son, just two days later, the nursery told her places were available on three afternoons a week." //
If, during that two days, an originally placeed child dropped out, thjat would mean that there was a space for the second applicant that was not available for the first.
If the refusal was one the same day, then there would be grounds to protest, but two days is certainly long enough for circumstances to change.
I'm not saying that was the case, because I don't know, and as I advised, we will need to wait and see what actually comes out of any investigation.
If, during that two days, an originally placeed child dropped out, thjat would mean that there was a space for the second applicant that was not available for the first.
If the refusal was one the same day, then there would be grounds to protest, but two days is certainly long enough for circumstances to change.
I'm not saying that was the case, because I don't know, and as I advised, we will need to wait and see what actually comes out of any investigation.
Corby - // As there were available places only two days after Yousaf's rejected application, would it not be reasonable to expect the nursery to have let him know about them? //
My point is that the place possibly became available in the two days between the two applications.
How could the nursery let him know about a possible place in two days time, unless they could see into the future and know that a child was going to drop out?
What they may well have said is, there are no places available at this time, but if the situation alters, we will let you know.
It may also have transpired that more than one place became available, and the nursery were ready to advise Mr Yusaf, but his keenness to start a complaint pre-empted that action.
It's all conjecture, but it does inform the idea that things are not quitre as cut and dried, or indeed black and white if you will, as they have been presented by the OP, and the accompanying link.
My point is that the place possibly became available in the two days between the two applications.
How could the nursery let him know about a possible place in two days time, unless they could see into the future and know that a child was going to drop out?
What they may well have said is, there are no places available at this time, but if the situation alters, we will let you know.
It may also have transpired that more than one place became available, and the nursery were ready to advise Mr Yusaf, but his keenness to start a complaint pre-empted that action.
It's all conjecture, but it does inform the idea that things are not quitre as cut and dried, or indeed black and white if you will, as they have been presented by the OP, and the accompanying link.
Corby - // The newspaper said Aqsa Akhtar had her application rejected, but Susan Blake's was accepted and offered spaces."
It does appear that something might be amiss. //
Only if we do as they have, and assume that they were turned down on the grounds of their race.
The application could have been turned down for any number of reasons, none of them remotely connected to the ethnicity of the child, or her parents.
I can't imagine that any nursery in 2021 would be daft enough to leave themselves open to a charge of racism by doing that.
It does appear that something might be amiss. //
Only if we do as they have, and assume that they were turned down on the grounds of their race.
The application could have been turned down for any number of reasons, none of them remotely connected to the ethnicity of the child, or her parents.
I can't imagine that any nursery in 2021 would be daft enough to leave themselves open to a charge of racism by doing that.
Corby - // "It may also have transpired that more than one place became available, and the nursery were ready to advise Mr Yusaf, but his keenness to start a complaint pre-empted that action"
How would that be possible unless they could see into the future and know that he would make a complaint? //
Easily.
The nursery could have been ready to advise Mr Yusaf that a space was now available - the fact that he may or may not raise a complaint would not affect that situation, and as you point out, the nursery would have no way of knowing that.
But since they didn't, and couldn't know, it would not affect their intention to advise him of a place anyway, would it?
How would that be possible unless they could see into the future and know that he would make a complaint? //
Easily.
The nursery could have been ready to advise Mr Yusaf that a space was now available - the fact that he may or may not raise a complaint would not affect that situation, and as you point out, the nursery would have no way of knowing that.
But since they didn't, and couldn't know, it would not affect their intention to advise him of a place anyway, would it?
'Nadia [El-Nakla, Yousaf's wife], who works for Dundee East MSP Shona Robison, inquired on May 10 about a space for Amal for two afternoons a week from August.
She was told the next day by Mill that “at present I have no available spaces in the nursery”. On May 11, when Nadia asked if she could be placed on a waiting list, Mill said she must fill in a registration form but “there is no guarantee of a space becoming available”.
Three hours later, at Nadia’s request, her friend Julie Kelly emailed Mill inquiring about a space for her son, who was also two. She was asked to fill in a registration form so “we will be able to check availability for you”.
Julie asked for availability without filling in the form – an option which had been denied to Nadia when she had asked for it last year.
On May 12, Mill told Julie that Monday, Tuesday and Thursday afternoons were available from July, as was a nursery tour.
This was despite Nadia being told there was no availability “at present” less than 24 hours earlier.'
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She was told the next day by Mill that “at present I have no available spaces in the nursery”. On May 11, when Nadia asked if she could be placed on a waiting list, Mill said she must fill in a registration form but “there is no guarantee of a space becoming available”.
Three hours later, at Nadia’s request, her friend Julie Kelly emailed Mill inquiring about a space for her son, who was also two. She was asked to fill in a registration form so “we will be able to check availability for you”.
Julie asked for availability without filling in the form – an option which had been denied to Nadia when she had asked for it last year.
On May 12, Mill told Julie that Monday, Tuesday and Thursday afternoons were available from July, as was a nursery tour.
This was despite Nadia being told there was no availability “at present” less than 24 hours earlier.'
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Dr Sam Everington did this in the NHS around thirty years ago
now Dr Sir Sam
same methodology - sending in spoof CVs - I think some humourless med director referred him to the GMC himself for forgery ( making statements which were not true - GMC standard of proof - balance of probabilities )
BUT
one swallow doesnt make a summer.
now Dr Sir Sam
same methodology - sending in spoof CVs - I think some humourless med director referred him to the GMC himself for forgery ( making statements which were not true - GMC standard of proof - balance of probabilities )
BUT
one swallow doesnt make a summer.
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