The Cause Of Covid Spread Solved

[Milvus]

Governor Dan Patrick's view. Thoughts?
https://thegrio.com/2021/08/20/texas-lt-gov-dan-patrick-says-covid-19-spread-due-to-black-people-being-unvaccinated/

[emmie]

agree ^^

[bobbinwales]

Interesting from guardian gromit
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/22/rates-of-double-jabbed-people-in-hospital-will-grow-but-that-does-not-mean-covid-vaccines-are-failing

[Vicasso]

Perhaps if the Republicans spent more time devising strategies to vaccinate non-whites rather than those hindering their opportunities to vote.....

[AuntPG]

This is the Elephant in the room. Of course any large group of people, Ethnic or otherwise, that remain unvaccinated could be responsible for spreading any infection if they refuse to be vaccinated or wear masks. It is irrelevant how many are in the community it only takes one person coughing and spluttering their way around Walmart to infect 10's of people. Ethnic minorities tend to congregate together, for instance in churches and mosques, which can only exacerbate the spread.

[dave50]

Daily infection rate figures on the news should be stopped, they are irrelevant and it only gives ammunition to the lock down maniacs. The only figures that matter are hospitalisations and deaths.

[Peter Pedant]

// Vaccinated or not, we can all carry the virus.//

as you would expect, a few non sequiturs here. - we can and we do are different - numbers involved. By swabbing you can estimate carrier rates ( vacca = v low ) . The scientists are lurching toward the question: if you carry ( test positive but are well) do yo infect as many as the fresh meat?

all can be measured by testing, which they may or may not have done. The answers are pretty obvious - vaccinated arent super spreaders, they have lower virus count
and they conclude therefore that they are not important vectors
and
..... the unvaccinated school kids are

but hey this is AB so we can say what we like and it is all TRUE

[bobbinwales]

Dave50 you keep forgetting that infections now are an indicator of future hospitalizations and death and is still an important measure. It's published rightly.its up to the news whether they give the data but thrted be critics of hiding something if they stopped. Just put your finger in your ears when there giving that figure

[AuntPG]

// Dave50 you keep forgetting that infections now are an indicator of future hospitalizations and death /

Nonsense! Infection rates have no bearing on hospitalizations or deaths. The possibility of an infection turning into a hospitalization and /or death relies on many other factors including age/underlying conditions/ethnicity etc.

[douglas9401]

AuntPG, you're arguing with the world's leading authority there. :-)

[THECORBYLOON]

"The possibility of an infection turning into a hospitalization and /or death relies on many other factors including age/underlying conditions/ethnicity etc."

Does having COVID increase the risk of those with underlying conditions having to go to hospital?

[Gromit]

// Nonsense! Infection rates have no bearing on hospitalizations or deaths. //

Intuitively I would say that is wrong.
3 weeks ago the daily cases was 21,000. Yesterday it was 37,000. Hospitalisation are going to go down if the reservoir of infected has nearly doubled.

[AuntPG]

I think thats been proved months ago.

[AuntPG]

Gromit, are you are assuming that everyone with Covid will be hospitalised? Infections may go up, but hospitalisation goes down, because many of the most vulnerable in society -those more likely to have to be hospitalised- have been vaccinated.

[sevenOP]

PP: "The answers are pretty obvious - vaccinated arent super spreaders, they have lower virus count "

"Covid-19: Fully vaccinated people can carry as much delta virus as unvaccinated people, data indicate"
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

bobbinwales iNews Link @ 08:02 Sat 21st Aug 2021 leaves a lot of unanswered questions e.g. "New figures also show that almost two thirds of people under 50 who died in England with the Delta variant were not vaccinated against the virus. Data from Public Health England (PHE) also shows that 74 per cent of this age group who were in hospital with the variant had not had a jab."

another shoddy presentation of 'facts' - from what start date to which date did these deaths in under 50's occur? delta arrived in England in March, under 50's weren't offered the vaccine until the end of April, so some of these unfortunates may not even had a chance at vaccination. (So 83 under 50's in England died with the variant as of 15 Aug 2021 - from some unknown start date - were not vaccinated and perhaps never had the chance to be vaccinated ??)

Infection rates CAN have a bearing on hospitalizations and deaths, it depends on who is tested: test everyone and you MAY have a better indicator, a similar theory as vaccinate everyone and variants and spread will stop... one only has to look at the claimed narrative that the delta variant was imported to see the flaw in that one.

Authorities (and the MSM) have had well over a year to realise that this imprecise and highly selective presentation of data does a massive disservice to the Public, and fuels distrust and accusations of cherry-picking in many.

[AuntPG]

Infection rates on their own cannot indicate future hospitalizations or deaths unless the infected population is categorized into different groups from high to low risk, with the added factors of vaccinated/unvaccinated.

You would expect to see a difference in ratio of infection to hospitalisation or death in a 1000 infected 18 - 30-year-olds with no underlying health conditions, to that of a similar number of 60 - 80 year olds WITH underlying health issues.

Simply saying there have been X number of infections therefore we should expect Y number of hospitalisations which may lead to Z number of deaths is at best misleading at worst scaremongering.