John Reid's Speach

[anotheoldgit]

Did anyone see the meeting between the Home Secretary and the group of moderate Muslims? It only goes to prove that you only have to scratch the surface to find out there is no such thing as a moderate muslim. Why are they always so angry?
Why were the heckler from a banned group and those with the threatning placards not arrested by that very small cop or was it a little kid in a cops outfit?
Or does the law only arrest old men that heckle the PM?

[Dizzieblonde]

Haven't seen it yet, but the BBC has a link to it here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5362052.stm

Yet again, it seems a small minority ruined the whole thing for everyone else.

[admarlow]

Why bother to debate with someone when you can heckle and threaten.

[matt66]

Or admarlow.......why bother to speak to someone when you can arrest and shoot...eh?

[admarlow]

are you talking about that peodophile again, are you to mates or something?

[weas]

We as british citizens should welcome john reids courage, somebody has to say something , we must support are politcians and most of all the police in there duty to make safe why do muslims leave muslim countries?

[matt66]

Just heard on radio 5 live that Galloway has written to John reid about the speech. he has made a few important points

The heckler was a well known islamist who belongs to a proscribed terrorist organisation and has been banned and been involved in many police incidents and hostage situations

He has appeared on TV esposing terrorism

Why was he allowed at the speech???. is it to make John reid look good? Is it to make the muslims look bad

This is an important development and the galloway letter will no doubt find itself on the net...i googled it and could not find it

So all is not as black and white as it seems. A govt that can enginner a 45 minute warning can do much much worse.

Admarlow you can ignore the above. It wont make an iota of difference to you.

[admarlow]

George Galloway, the cat inpersonation mate of Saddam Hussain, I was just thinking he had been quiet recently, meow.

[matt66]

i rest my case

[sissimarissa]

On the matter of why muslims are so intolerant about 13 items below this one there is one headed Muslims in which a contributor called Kingsway makes the point that the first duty of a follower of Islam is to believe and then fight. Scattered through the thread Kingsway then makes several quotes from the Koran which are eye-opening and make you think.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Equally, you could make much the same argument about the Jews:

Exodus 31:15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 22.20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Deuteronomy 13:6-10 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known ... thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die.

2 Chronicles 15:13 Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.

Are they equally eye-opening? Should we now reappraise the Jews in light of these revelations that their sacred book tells them to kill anyone who refuses their God?

Or perhaps it's not actually all that instructive..?

[juddlinski]

Muslim's are increasingly becoming demonised - look at the many posts on this site since the 'pope' incident for example.

It worries me. Obviously the vast majority of all muslims are peace-loving, but it seems to me that many people are starting to believe that practically all Muslims are supporters of terrorism. Where is all this going?

[admarlow]

no juddlinski, only 23%

[luna-tic]

I found it quite ironic that Mr.Reid was stating that we should all be on the lookout for home-grown terrorists and report if anyone suspects terrorist activity then the journalist /news reporter say's the guy heckling Mr. Reid was known for his connections to terrorist groups or activity.
Did the BBC miss something or was that guy placed there for effect?

[brionon]

Waldo, more'' Xtians are just as bad.'' Well ? And then ? Does that means Muslims may do as they please because the Xtians believe in their Barmy Bible ?

[WaldoMcFroog]

Who are you quoting, Brionon? Not me.

It was specifically directed to the post that preceeded it that was making the point about the Koran containing imflamatory verses and saying 'so what?' So do other people's holy books. Of itself, it proves nothing about the follower's disposition to be violent or otherwise.

[sissimarissa]

As is so often the case, Froog, you do not understand the question. The question asks "Why are the Muslims so angry?". Until i read that other thread I did not know what was in the Koran. The answer to the question then became clear - for 1300 years Islamist's have been obliged to believe in the Koran and fight. The perceived "anger" is nothing other than Islamist's carrying out the duty that has been drilled into them - fight. The Jew's to whom you refer do not have that duty and are not, and never have, behaved in the disgraceful way that the Islamist's are.

[WaldoMcFroog]

That'd be a truly brilliant, insightful and constructive answer if I had been answering the question at the top. Unfortunately, I was clearly rebutting your response. More a case of you not understanding the answer, I feel.

[NikkiB]

A while ago on BBC's Question Time, a male Muslim audience member said - amongst other things - that women have too much power and that they should have the right to divorce taken away from them. Now I call that a nasty, sinister, chauvinistic speech. Yet the compere (can't recall if it was Dimbleby or Sissons) just giggled in an embarrassed fashion and hastily moved on. In crude terms, it was rather like chuckling at the colourful foreigner with his quaint little ideas and not really taking him seriously. And that's in effect how certain Islamists have succeeded in the push push push of their agenda day after day in this country. It's as if we pat them on the head and say "oh that's nice" when they threaten us with death. If that QT fascist had been, for instance, a white person stating that male Muslims should not have the power to divorce you can imagine the furore. I don't care what's in the Koran; if a muslim makes a public speech that contradicts the equality and freedoms of this country, he should be arrested and charged for it. There are too many examples of Islamic hecklers, rioters, scholars and terrorists getting away with things their infidel counterparts would not.
That disgusting creature who heckled John Reid also appears to use 9/11 and 7/7 as whacking material. He needs his collar felt for that. Then again, the best way to hit someone like him is to stop his Giro payments.

[Matheous]

Well spoken NikkiB! Stop their 'free everything' -how disgusting is it that we allow those people into this country who suck dry its goodness and then protest about their 'rights' and flaunt our kindness by condemming us?