Anyone Online At This Mad Hour To Talk Work Contracts??

[Smowball]

I’ve been offered a job, but they say they won’t give me a contract until I’ve done 3 months probation. mr Smow thinks that’s illegal - that I can’t start a job with no contract that states job role, hourly rate, hours etc. Who’s right?a.

[tonyav]

Usually don't get a contract until probationary period is over, Smow.

[postman44]

I agree with Tonyav. That is what normally happens.

[Buenchico]

You need to differentiate between a 'contract' and a 'written statement of employment particulars'. The latter is NOT a contract but it IS a legal entitlement. It consists of two parts. The first, called 'the principal statement', must be given to the employee on the first day of his/her employment (or, of course, prior to that). That has to be supplemented by a wider written statement within two months.

I'll save myself a lot of typing (or copying and pasting) by letting this link explain what all that means: https://www.gov.uk/employment-contracts-and-conditions/written-statement-of-employment-particulars

So the employer is correct in that you can commence your employment without a contract, per se, but Mr S is correct in stating that you must be given a written statement of the key elements of your employment.

BTW: It's not a 'mad hour'! The night is yet young ;-)

[Smowball]

Ok, so what if anything happens in first months?? What if they say I have to work 80 hrs a week? What if they say I can’t take any holiday?? I’ve nothing so say otherwise.

[Smowball]

Lol buenchicho - it’s early for me!! I agree, all my googling says I should at least have something in writing, be it a statement or a contract.

[JimF]

How much do you want / need the job?

[Smowball]

I just want to take some stress off mr Smow. He is working ridiculous hours and I just wanted to help x

[barry1010]

You've been offered a job - have you been told anything at all about the job such as hours, what you'll be doing, pay? You must have some idea what the job entails.

[Ken4155]

How many holidays do you expect to be allowed to take in your first 3 months? :-J

[bobbinwales]

Just write down a list of the key things you need to know that will help you decide whether to try the role. Things like hours & pay

[bobbinwales]

Then ask them

[bobbinwales]

Or just accept and see how it goes. Probationdont mean much in that they can sack for any work reason within 2 year's I think it is