That Damn Brexit Eh...?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/cptpp-uk-accepted-into-indo-pacific-trade-bloc-in-biggest-trade-deal-since-brexit-12845758
...no doubt the 5C will come along and pour scorn on this deal but hey that's their job!

[Ellipsis]

> The analogy there is the fear of going it alone.

Crass.

[naomi24]

So you said. My analogy stands.

[Ellipsis]

Yes, your crass analogy stands, of course it does, because it's your analogy and you would never agree that it was an inappropriate one.

[naomi24]

If I agreed with you I’d say so. I don’t.

[Atheist]

OMG; It's a dog and a cat and a snake sewn into a bag and thrown into the Tiber. Is this what Brexit was meant to be?

[douglas9401]

Isn't that how spaghetti Bolgnese was invented?

[Atheist]

Douglas. I'm impressed by your wealth of knowledge.

[royfromaus]

Can't see why naomi's analogy is crass. I have read from a few ABers how they finally found the courage to leave a domineering spouse.

But...I'll await andy's opinion. After all the analogy itself (crass or not) may not fly.

[Untitled]

“ Because it usurped the supremacy of the UK Parliament.”

in what way did this make you feel like you were being oppressed?

oppression usually denotes a cruel and systematically unfair system of rule

[New Judge]

//in what way did this make you feel like you were being oppressed?//

Because I expect the Parliament for which I voted to be supreme. I don't expect a conglomeration of unelected foreigners - of whom few people in this country have heard - to be able to overturn its decisions. Democracy means that you have a modicum of control over your country's politicians. It doesn't mean that their decisions only stand provided a supranational organisation agrees with them.

To make it clear, I disagree fundamentally with the very idea of a "European Union". Such political unions have been tried only a few times in the recent past and all attempts have failed - for very good reason. I believe in the supremacy of national Parliaments, elected by their electorates. It's an ideological thing and half a percent on GDP either way does not alter that.

[Untitled]

ok but i asked about oppression new judge and what you're describing is not oppression it is ideological disagreement

[Untitled]

i stand by what i said earlier... i did not consider the EU oppressive for the UK and I do not really believe that anyone else did either

[New Judge]

//ok but i asked about oppression new judge and what you're describing is not oppression it is ideological disagreement//

It made me feel oppressed. I felt that the government that was voted into office was not in control of the country I live in and that feeling increased as the EU assumed more powers and removed individual members' power of veto. That's oppression in my view but such things are subjective. I'm glad you didn't feel oppressed when the UK was an EU member but I did and I'm very pleased we're out of it. Whether it knocks a percentage point or two off our GDP or whether I have to stand in a separate queue when arriving in an EU country is neither here nor there to me. I appreciate that it has had different, perhaps adverse effects on other people. That’s regrettable but perhaps those who wanted to remain should have turned out in greater numbers so as to influence the result. The problem was that many people believed we would be asked to vote again in the event of the “wrong” answer being given (in line with many other votes among EU members). Thankfully, despite a concerted campaign to ensure just that, they were mistaken.

[Untitled]

I don’t think oppression is subjective new judge… i understand you disagreed with the EU existing but don’t sit there and tell me you were being oppressed by it!

[New Judge]

Sorry but I disagree and we will have to remain in disagreement. I felt the overarching, ever increasing influence of the EU on this country's affairs to be an oppression. Sorry you don't see it that way, but there it is and it was one of the main reasons I voted to leave.

[Zacs-Master]

That, and lightbulbs.

[New Judge]

:-) :-)