Why Is A Convicted Murderer Not Forced To The Dock?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/gunman-thomas-cashman-who-shot-dead-olivia-pratt-korbel-9-jailed-for-at-least-42-years-12848947
...gutless piece of slime should have been dragged up to the dock for sentencing. 42 years is not enough should have got whole life end of.

[Old_Geezer]

Don't see why it matters. It's discussions such as this that that "turns it into a circus". Best ignored. He's off for a long stretch anyway, (and his fellow incarcerated may not be keen on him on top of that).

[Peter Pedant]

american judges routinely gag defendants
sort of started with Hoffman and the Chicago circus in the early seventies

satirised in woody allens film Bananas

[zebo]

// One of the reasons for that is quite pragmatic - they have to fully vacate their cell and on their return may be provided with accommodation that may not suit them.//

A convicted criminal takes whatever's given, they gave up the right to be 'unsuited' with their free accommodation when they chose to be criminals. Maybe we need to adopt the American use of leg chains.

[brainiac]

//Don't see why it matters//

It matters because he should be forced to listen to not only the sentencing by the judge, but also the impact statement by, in this case, the poor girl's mother.

[Old_Geezer]

He wouldn't be listening anyway. And being a psychopath anything he did hear wouldn't affect him. It would just be pandering to those demanding it.

[Peter Pedant]

he should be forced to listen...
no - listen is "hear with attention"
no evidence that he wd listen.... in fact he stated he wdnt.

sentencing hearing involves victim statements, and not just a bare "42 years" and it is clear that the victims and relation regard this as an impt part of the process.

anyway well done TTT all the low lives of whitehall ( the politicians that is!) have crawled onto the bandwagon

[youngmafbog]

IMHO, should be dragged their, if he/she/they kick off then bound and gagged.

And in this case the Judge should have been donning the black cap.

[ToraToraTora]

Yep definitely a candidate for the old Saddam shuffle that one.

[sp1814]

An update;:

“Thomas Cashman: Renewed call to force criminals to attend sentencing”

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-65173499

[piggynose]

Linch mob still active I see!

[THECORBYLOON]

If folk were punished for not attending the sentencing, unless it were a consecutive period in gaol, there would be no point.

With folk receiving concurrent sentences for more serious offences, it would be strange to increase the time merely failing to attend the court.

[kuiperbelt]

TCL \concurrent sentences for more serious offences\

Can someone please explain this point of law.

Cashman received a Life sentence with a 42 year minimum term for murder.

The judge in her summing up also handed down the following:

22 years for attempted murder.
18 years each for the 2 gun crimes.
10 years for wounding.
Making a total of 68 years to be serverd concurrently.

If Cashman was successful in a parole hearing after 42 years, how can he possibly serve the 68 years
which are running concurrently??

[Atheist]

Concurrently means that you don't serve them one after the other; you serve them at the same time.

[kuiperbelt]

>15.55

Atheist I understand that concurrent sentences are not consecutive. If I had my way all sentences would be consecutive.

It just seems that the judge in her summing up, had she not even mentioned the other crimes it would make no difference to the outcome of Cashman's overall time spent in jail.

[barry1010]

Kuiper, the sentencing makes a big difference to the other victims, the crimes that were committed against them have been formally acknowledged by the court and judgment has been made.
That is very important to victims of any crime.

[davebro]

//Linch mob still active I see!//

it's LYNCH - and yes it would be appropriate for this offender.

[Peter Pedant]

judgie-baby
retired judgie baby who clearly was NOT aware that prisoner doing porridge, if they refuse to come out of their cells, are forced to do so by a special team.

and mused how it wd be done
and how you keep him quiet in court ( you dont)
and how ( of course ) it wd upset the dignity of the court and the respect due to a judge ( like him) ( = make it into a circus)

Starmer says he thinks that years should be added to the sentence for refusal to attend

[Peter Pedant]

Lybching is never justified
even in Ukraine or Russia

Lots of cases of POWs 1945 trying to lynch their cruel tormentors, and being prevented from doing so by their senior officers.

Alec Guiness ( bridge over the river kwai) did this - preventive detention, and the Japanese CO became a secret Christian. But that boys and girls is a difft story