74 Million "Uninformed Horrible People" .....Time For A Rethink?

[ToraToraTora]

If one was of the opinion that anyone who voted for Trump was an "uninformed horrible person" how many of those would it take for the opinion holder to think he/she may be wrong?

[Untitled]

and why are you asking me about whether people can or can't vote in favour of fascism? i haven't asserted that they can't. they obviously can. but a person who does so is someone who is a fascist. 

[New Judge]

"you seem incredulous about this"

I'm not incredulous about anything and you still haven't answered the question.

You are proposing that some people may nott be eligible to stand for election because of their policies or beliefs. Who decides who may and who may not stand?

Restricting matters to this thread, it seems you are proposing that Mr Trump should have been ineligible to stand for election because, you believe, he is a fascist.

If he was the leader of a political party in the UK, who would decide that he or his party members could not stand?

[ToraToraTora]

Funny how untitled always sides with Islam, the most Nazi group of them all. When they get enough, and they will, they'll use our own system to elect themselves and they'll abolish democracy legally. People like untitled, hymie et al seem ok with that. Is it democratic to abolish democracy if enough want to do it? An interesting philosophical discussson? ....discuss.

[davebro3]

//If he was the leader of a political party in the UK, who would decide that he or his party members could not stand?//

It could be made a "Proscribed Terrorist Organisation"?

[Untitled]

I have not anywhere said that mr trump was not eligible newjudge. I have said that voting for him was a horrible thing to do. 

[Untitled]

"You are proposing that some people may nott be eligible to stand for election because of their policies or beliefs. Who decides who may and who may not stand?"

where have i proposed this?? it seems to be in your head. 

[Untitled]

"Funny how untitled always sides with Islam"

????? 
this is just made up lol. how very telling that you feel the need to lie.

[Untitled]

my opinion is that donald trump was elected by tens of millions of people who are either horrible or ignorant. my proof for that is that they have voted for a presidential candidate and party who have promised to do things that are horrible. 
 

the response has been a days-long hissy fit from newjudge who appears to think people who voted for trump are automatically deserving of deference and admiration. i know trumpists personally. they are part of my family. i have listened to them carefully and closely without contradicting them or arguing with them. nothing i heard caused me to change my mind that they are horrible people.

[New Judge]

"...my proof for that is that they have voted for a presidential candidate and party who have promised to do things that are horrible."

In your opinion. Some people may not find them so horrible so it isn't proof at all. All it is proof of is your inability to deal with contrary opinion. 

"....the response has been a days-long hissy fit from newjudge who appears to think people who voted for trump are automatically deserving of deference and admiration."

I've never said that. All I've said is that they should be afforded the same respect as those who voted for the other candidate. To brand 75m as ignorant or horrible because of the way they voted simply demonstrates your intolerance.

Nobody could detest the idea of a Labour government for the next five years more than me. But I wouldn't brand those who voted for them ignorant or horrible - especially those I don't know.

[davebro3]

//i have listened to them carefully and closely without contradicting them or arguing with them.//

If you feel so strongly about it why would you not argue with them to change their minds? Maybe you could have made a difference - you are horrible & ignorant for choosing not to!

[Untitled]

yes davebro a political argument is the first thing anyone wants at a family gathering isn't it 🙄

[New Judge]

Since last week I have refrained from commenting on whether I consider a Trump presidency to be  a good or bad thing for America. I’ve been too busy explaining why I have been appalled at the insults hurled at 75m US voters who voted for him to be their President.

One of the reasons for this is that I am not too well versed in US politics. I only know what I read and have no first hand experience of either living there or even visiting there. The closest I have been to the USA is Cuba.

Over the weekend  I read an article by Professor Sir Niall Ferguson. I can’t provide a link because it is behind a paywall. Prof. Ferguson has lived in California for much of the last eight years and described how that state, which has been a Democrat fiefdom since the 1990s. has descended from being one of the most affluent and well run states to being one of the highest taxed and poorest of all. Many wealthy Californians have moved to other, lower taxed states such as Florida or Texas. The Democrat regime has thrown the State’s doors open to illegal immigrants, has 30% of the USA’s welfare recipients and a poverty rate of almost 20%. He goes on to say that, given another four years of a Democrat President, especially  one led by Ms Harris, much of the USA would replicate that sad state of affairs, 

Prof.  Ferguson is a British-American historian who is the Milbank Family Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution and a senior fellow at the Belfer Centre for Science and International Affairs at Harvard University. So with that in mind, I’m just wondering whether he is simply uninformed or just plain nasty because according to some anti-Trump correspondents on here, he must be one or the other.

Of course it could be that he is neither of those and simply knows more about the USA and its politics than anybody on here does.