What Is A Woman?

[mushroom25]

we are supposed to be finding out the answer today - 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgv8v5ge37o

although, what's the betting the learned m'luds fudge the issue?

[jackthehat]

Untitled - I am perfectly comfortable with you believing whatever you want to believe.

I don't need to disabuse you of your beliefs, indeed, I am pretty certain that I wouldn't be able to...

However, no-one has ever, or will ever, change sex and our language needs to reflect that.

Women are adult human females and only those satisfying those descriptors should be occupying womens' place/spaces/races.

[Untitled]

I'm not asking whether or not you think people can change sex... i already know the answer to that. 
 

i want to know what these research papers  were which led you to the conclusion that "the majority of FtM transitions are women who are autistic or have been sexually abused" and that "The majority of MtF transitions are porn-soaked men who have managed to drive themselves sexually-insane"

whether or not you like me personally is irrelevant... it's not an unreasonable thing to ask

[jackthehat]

Untitled - Google is your friend.

It is not my job to lead anyone by the hand to the sunlit uplands of sensible thinking.

 

[ToraToraTora]

Untitled: "I'm not asking whether or not you think people can change sex... i already know the answer to that. "

so can you clarify. Do you accept that:

JTH: "However, no-one has ever, or will ever, change sex and our language needs to reflect that."

and are merely challenging this assertion:

JTH: "the majority of FtM transitions are women who are autistic or have been sexually abused" and that "The majority of MtF transitions are porn-soaked men who have managed to drive themselves sexually-insane"

Thanks

[Old_Geezer]

I don't think I'd want to claim that it will never be the case that someone can change sex during their lifetime. "Never" relates to a very long time, and much that was thought impossible in the past is now commonplace.

 

Imagine a medical procedure whereby an individual somehow, gets immersed is some transition environment, all instances of, for example, XX chromosomes, cells, genes, etc. are manipulated, edited, whatever, to be XY etc.. Where organs specific to one sex are either manipulated to become the corresponding organs of the other, or perhaps broken down and replaced with new organs built from the newly created stem cells during the earlier conversion. The result would then be an individual who has transitioned to truly be indistinguishable from someone born naturally as that sex.

 

Of course they won't have had the same life experiences up to that point, we all have different experiences; but if we could do the above to the body whose to say that memory erasing, and false memories insertion, can't reprogram the brain too ? (Mind you it may have been easier to reprogram the brain instead of starting with the body instead, if science had got that far.)

[ToraToraTora]

10:02 well that is what it would take but converting every cell would innevitably destroy the person even if it did create a new one. It would be a total metamorphosis even more so than say a caterpiller turning into a moth in a chrysalis.

[Untitled]

I'm not asserting that it's your job jack.... i'm asking you. we are equals here and i am curious about what you base those conclusions on.  it is telling in the extreme that you are unable to answer. 

[jackthehat]

Untitled - I am not unable to answer you, I am disinclined to answer you, there is a considerable difference.

I have read oodles of stuff which I have accessed through Google, in the main, which is why I suggested that that particular facility is available to you, also.

Naturally, the reports/papers vary in detail and depth of scholarship but I am sure that you will find some which are in line with your level of interest/understanding.

[Untitled]

the thing about google jack is that it will give you what you search for. so if you go looking for material which suggests most trans men are either autistic or sexually abused and that most trans women are porn-obsessed degenerates then that is what you will find. 
 

you refuse to provide any proof because you know full well that it isn't very good and find it gratifying to post demeaning assertions about trans people. you've been rumbled. 

[jackthehat]

Oh no!

How ever will I cope?

You think the proof isn't very good - a rather telling statement, in itself...

Trans-people need no help from me in demeaning themselves. Men cannot become women and it is utterly ridiculous to expect anyone else (particularly women) to agree that they can.