Is Keir Starmer Wasting His Time.

[nicebloke1]

In the light of Trumps recent speeches and his position made clear on Ukraine. Is KS on a road to nowhere?

[vulcan42]

I don't know what KS hopes to achieve. All I know is he's going to speak to Trump who has already said Europe should increase its defence budget and has the knowledge that KS isn't going to. A waste of time all round but like Trump, KS likes to be in the limelight.

[mushroom25]

// not sure who it was OG but someone from the Whitehouse said last night that Trumps words have been a disgrace. //

it was Mike Pence, Trump's deputy last time around.

[naomi24]

//so what is KS hoping to achieve, from this visit?//

 

I think he kids himself that he's a major player on the world stage and of some considerable influence.  Trump is not alone, I suspect, in regarding him rather differently.

[davebro3]

Could they not meet via video conferencing - why the need to travel? Superior chicken nuggets maybe.

[nicebloke1]

There many people in this world who think their opinion can  influence others, and their opinion is far superior over others, and normally on far far smaller stages where they perform their act,I would say they are kidding themselves. At least KS is of importance and is on a world stage not a orange box.

[naomi24]

For the influence he has he may as well be on an orange box.

[vulcan42]

As far as I'm concerned a proven liar and cheat is of no importance irrespective of what position is held.

[david small]

Keir Starmer is a waste of time, and space.

[newmodarmy]

//There many people in this world who think their opinion can  influence others, and their opinion is far superior over others, and normally on far far smaller stages where they perform their act,I would say they are kidding themselves.//

Yes, that's a very good description of many posters on here... except me and perhaps NewJudge of course.

Keir is right to try to raise his and our concerns with Trump but unfortunately I'm not optimistic he'll get a fair hearing. Trump didn't invite him and isn't interested in what anyone but himself thinks.

[youngmafbog]

//and isn't interested in what anyone but himself thinks.//

But of course you dont actually know that do you?

On the subject of 2TK going to see Trump in person I happen to feel that is correct.  Just calling in on Teams looks like you are not really bothered but making the effort to go there to present your case would probably go down well with Trump.

Although as I have said before I think its a waste of time, but we shall see.

[Untitled]

let us not pretend that europe's dependency on american firepower was a choice. it wasn't. the usa spent a great deal of effort in the mid twentieth century to ensure that europe was dependent on its military industrial complex for defence--it was forced on us.

what is clear now is that the USA cannot be trusted. it breaks its agreements, it turns on its allies, and it violates its own word. it is not a country that you can do business with because it will not stick to whatever you agree if it doesn't feel like it.

in that sense yes keir starmer is wasting his time. you cannot negotiate with a country that behaves like this.

[Peter Pedant]

road to nowhere ?

is Europe on the way to a gulag ( poss)

[newmodarmy]

//But of course you dont actually know that do you?//

No...but I'm pretty certain I'm right. I know as little or as much as you do. You don't actually know whether he does listen. He's got so many facts wrong about Zelenski and how much US has contributed he clearly doesn't listen or fact check what his (or Putin's) advisers feed him. My view is as valid as yours.

I'm hoping he's playing a very clever game aand stringing Putin along a bit, but that's looking/sounding less and  less likely every time he opens his mouth.

[vulcan42]

Thanks to an open mike we already know Trump wants to be a dictator. At the beginning we thought of America but it's increasingly looking as if he wants to be the world dicatator. Ukraine is no longer any use to him, except for the minerals, so he abandons it to its fate. Do you expect a dysfunctional egoist to heed the ramblings of another? 

[david small]

Yes, that's a very good description of many posters on here... except me and perhaps NewJudge of course.

Some also have a rod up their jacksie, with delusions of grandeur.

[ToraToraTora]

"the usa spent a great deal of effort in the mid twentieth century to ensure that europe was dependent on its military industrial complex for defence--it was forced on us." - rubbish it was pushed on us yes but we allowed it, not forced, it's based on our own feeble lack of defence spending we because of the Liberal/socialist twin prongs of self hatred and protectionism. Europe had the chance to be much greater than in is but chose instead the path of trobbery and dogma.

[nicebloke1]

Bullies only attack the weak and defenceless, much like a wild animal when chosing it prey.

Putin has always been a wild animal, now we have one in the Whitehouse. Neither of them would dream of bullying China.

In my dreams, I would knock Trump and Putin off balance to what they have in mind by putting the remainder of Nato on the Polish / Ukraine border, but of course this would only be an exercise, or if you like a SMO. And lets really see which way Trump the Dump choses to jump. After all we do have 300 billion of frozen Russian money to fund it. :0)