Big V E D Hike Imminent......

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/2026642/car-tax-vehicle-excise-duty-changes?int_source=nba

Hopefully it's enough to get some WSS off the road.

[jourdain2]

PS - We can't, of course, afford a new car as referred to in the OP, but on the 'First they came for the Jews' principle - I'm worried.

[ToraToraTora]

jourdain: "What is is so hard for TTT and others to understand? " - well I do understand and as I have said several times when this comes up and you never seem to acknowledge. Part of the TTT UK wide transport plan does include assistance for rural people and others with specific transport needs.

While we are at it I agree 15 miles is too far to cycle. Another part of the TTT transport plan includes US style school buses for rural communities.

Generally though 99.9% of kids could walk or cycles to school.

The problem is that people take one aspect of the policy in isolation and then moan about that. The fact is that if even unemployed people can afford private transport, mostly wasting 75% of it then it must be too cheap. Fact.

I must publish a green paper on the subject.

[barry1010]

It is cheaper to drive than use public transport, especially if there is usually more than one person in the car.

[Untitled]

i would much rather live in a country with extensive public transport than one in which 80% of people need a car. 

[ToraToraTora]

09:29

Barry, It won't be under my system.

Untitled, me too, public transport should be much better and cheaper paid for by private motorists.

[ToraToraTora]

I watched an episode of top gear recently and clarkson stood by the M4 for an hour and counted the number of cars with more than one person in them. There were 4. A high percentage of private transport is wasted. No I'm not talking about car sharing, I'm talking about fewer cars.

[naomi24]

How often would you expect a bus to run through a village of, say, 300 people, that's miles from a major road?

[ToraToraTora]

Well The details need working out Naomi but the school bus will run before and after school.

 

[naomi24]

But without cars people need to get to where they're going.  School buses arriving twice a day don't serve transport needs.  

[ToraToraTora]

I know but I can't give you the timetable for every village in England. I intend to restore the railways and bus services to something akin to what they were before most people had cars. Subsidised as necessary.

[naomi24]

Whatever you 'intend' for rural areas it's impractical.  We're not living in the age when people went to market once a week on the back of a horse-drawn cart - because that is what they did.  People now need to get where they're going when they want to go.

[DDIL]

I live 30 minutes outside a major city, 1 bus every 2 hours using the bus is more expensive that driving and parking in the city!

No trains and buses run from 8 -6. how would you sort that out ?

[ToraToraTora]

DDIL: "I live 30 minutes outside a major city, 1 bus every 2 hours using the bus is more expensive that driving and parking in the city!" - I will make them much cheaper and much more frequent.

"No trains and buses run from 8 -6. how would you sort that out ?" - would introduce trains and/or buses that run during those times.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand? I would create a proper integrated affordable and convenient public transport system.

[jackthehat]

So we've segued from getting the WSS off the road and/or forcing them to relinquish their fags, beer and 72" TVs....to a manifesto of how TTT would sort out the transport system.

All of the examples presented to you explain why private transport is an absolute must for anyone living outside the cities......and you have no idea how best to address them, even in your fictional Geezerland.

[bednobs]

the bottom line is that people *in general* are used to the convenience and it will take a monumental shift in attitudes to change this

[ToraToraTora]

Yes change is difficult.

[DDIL]

exactly bednobs - even in the 80/90's we were used to this - our family had 5 cars - mum and dad had their own as did the teenagers and that was 1989!

TTT there is not enough money for what you are dreaming of, it would require new roads and train lines and time!

[barry1010]

So many people working shifts, finishing late at night, starting very early outside the usual rush hour, including weekends. 

The government spent £7.2 billion on  public  transport in 2022 - a service that doesn't meet the needs of the public.

How much would the government lose in revenue from the motorist and the car industry? 

Where is the money coming from for this Utopia where cheap public transport runs all over the country 24/7?

Think of the effects on our tourist and leisure industry if people can no longer bundle the kids in to the car for a day out to the seaside, countryside attraction; if retired folk can't easily go away for a few days to a seaside caravan park or cheap hotel.

You are in cloud cuckoo land

 

[DDIL]

Here is another scenario, a person is a carer to an elderly or disabled person, and need frquent hospital appointments.  Are you also going to sort out transport to hospitals that are normally not in the centre of cities?

[DDIL]

We had to take our oldie to hospital on monday - we drove and it took 55 minutes, public transport would have taken, 2 trains and 2 buses and 4 hours!