Brexit – Are You One Of The Deluded?

[Hymie]

Sir Alan Sugar said Brexit is the biggest disaster in his whole lifetime; he also said that those people responsible for Brexit, based on lies should be in prison.

 

He went on to say that Brexit was a total absolute disaster and anyone who says it’s not is deluded.

 

The interviewer asked Alan what the thought it would take to get this country growing again – to which he replied; for the UK to get down on bended knees and beg to be allowed back in (to the EU).  At this the interviewer said they didn’t associate him with begging – to which Alan responded; exactly that’s how bad it is.

 

Quite how anyone could think that Brexit is a success, when a prominent businessman’s view is that it is a total absolute disaster, is beyond me.

 

 

[naomi24]

He's one of the deluded.

[Old_Geezer]

I believe, NJ, "that Accession of the European Union to the European Convention on Human Rights is a long-standing priority for the Council of Europe and a legal obligation for the EU."

 

These groups do tends to have relationships and leaving the EU should have removed a tranche of objections to withdrawal from the ECHR, which in turn should remove a tranche of objections to rightly removing people who ought not be in this nation, and making any of our leaky borders more secure.

 

[ToraToraTora]

canary: "What has Sugar ever ahieved in business.

A computer which never really took off."  - gad elp us you are clueless. Sugar largely started the home computer era alng side Sinclair. The PCW 8256/12 brought word processing and general comuting to tha masses, the PC1512 eclipsed IBM who threw in the towel in the "home" PC market. He also sold millions of sky TV boxes and got that going with Murdoch.

He designed and produced the CB radio that was popular in the 80s, etc etc countless other things.

To him spurs was just a toy.

You are clueless with your prejuduce me old china.

I'm no fan of Sugar and I think he's talking out of his April over brexit but lets get it right.

[gulliver1]

ynafymmi 23.52 for BA.

[naomi24]

//English Tories ... brought us Brexit.//

 

Nonsense.  The Labour north turned blue for Brexit.  The referendum wasn't about sides of the political divide. 

[gulliver1]

// English Tories... brought  us Brexit. //                                           Nonsense......An American turned English Tory Liar brought us Brexit for his own gain.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[New Judge]

"I believe, NJ, "that Accession of the European Union to the European Convention on Human Rights is a long-standing priority for the Council of Europe and a legal obligation for the EU.""

Indeed, OG.

But as far as I can recall, there was no indication that leaving the EU would necessarily lead to our departure from the ECHR. That said, there were all sorts of things bandied about before the referendum. It was up to voters to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

[Untitled]

i don't actually care very much whether or not alan sugar is a titan of industry or not. i take issue with businessmen being presented as though they are experts especially on politics. they aren't. see also: steven bartlett, richard branson, james dyson, tim martin, deborah meaden, whoever. 

running a country is not "like running a business" as so many of these tiresome individuals often claim. it's like going to kazuo ishiguro for his political analysis because he's good at writing novels. 

alan sugar and his repulsive tv show have had an awful lot to do with merchants being treated like this. "the apprentice" is a tv show that is about how brilliant and fantastic he is in comparison to a bunch of 20 somethings who want to get in on the reality tv game. the fact that he still does it speaks volumes about what an underdeveloped person he must be. it is the kind of thing a twelve year old would get bored of doing after a week. i think it is absolutely pathetic.

i will try to watch his interview with james o'brien if only because it presents a good excuse to drink some rum and calm down.

[Untitled]

*amol rajan sorry not james o'brien

[naomi24]

//running a country is not "like running a business" as so many of these tiresome individuals often claim. //

 

But those tiresome individuals are the people who generate the wealth of the country - and actually running a country should be like running a business.  It's the only way a country prospers.

[Untitled]

a country is fundamentally not a business and cannot be run like one. business is one of many groups that need to have their interests considered.

[naomi24]

There's nothing stopping a country run like a business considering the interests of any group.

[Untitled]

all businesses have the same purpose... to generate value for whoever owns it. a country does not have a purpose. it is simply there. 

[naomi24]

Surely a country does have a purpose, as should any government, that purpose being to generate wealth and well-being for the benefit of its citizens.

[davebro3]

UK has "subjects" not citizens. It exists primarily to support the royals.

[naomi24]

That's just silly, dave.

[tommy39]

tim martin another prominent businessman is all for getting out of the e.u,and staying out.brexit was not the problem it was how the tories/frost in particular  negotiated the deal.giving to much away in return for nothing

[Old_Geezer]

As I recall the final deal was made against the advice/beliefs of those who truly had UK interest at heart. Major issues being, accepting all sorts of financial demands, many seeming to be without merit, the ridiculous agreement to have a UK internal border in the middle of the Irish Sea, and the insane agreement to treat Northern Ireland as if it were still in the EU.  Never heard Frost & Co being keen on that. I have always assumed it was to get things moved along; but renegotiation after it was showing disadvantagous to the NI economy, should have automatic. It's never been triggered.

 

As for Brexit, clearly it was simply the first step in a process to overhaul a bad system. What matters are the end goals, and there was an end goal, one of many, to get secure borders; clearly that would need withdrawal from more than just the EU.  But here we still are.

[New Judge]

"But if I were a Brexiteer (acknowledging what a success Brexit is), I would be asking why is it that Sugar cannot see unicorns prancing on the sunlit uplands"

I wouldn't.

I don't give a tuppeny toss what Alan Sugar (or anybody else  for that matter - especially James O'Brien) thinks about Brexit. It's purpose was to end the UK's membership of that wretched, pernicious organisation. And in that it has been 100% successful.

[Roobaba]

I see the usual suspects are still here pedalling the same old same old, it gets tiresome but I am able to stick it out, I'm around for the long haul, to get to the future time when the Pro B'exit lobby eventually give up on their misguided views and opinions, objections to the EU which is plainly a 'good entity' which has the ultimate aim of prosperity for all the citizens of Europe, including the UK - on our crowded continent of Europe. I am no Nationalist, I'm certainly no type of Patriot that sees 'Britain for the British and let the rest of the world 'go-hang'. I am a globalist, I see our planet as one world that we must all learn (often through hard lessons) to get along on if the human race is to survive long-term. I see myself as a Futurist with noble aims trying to predict/guide our future and hope for a better brighter fairer future, I try to see those fabled 'sunny uplands'.. simply put we MUST overcome our differences!

Whoever it is that says 'expert successful business people' are not qualified to be knowledgeable about politics or even claim to be experts, unlike career politicians they have achieved great things, often from humble or disadvanaged beginnings early on in life. It's the 'PPE brandishing' Eaton educated toffs that know nothing and have got us in the mess we currently find ourselves (Cameron and Johnson to name but two).

Untitled ''i take issue with businessmen being presented as though they are experts especially on politics. they aren't. see also: steven bartlett, richard branson, james dyson, tim martin, deborah meaden, whoever. 

running a country is not "like running a business" as so many of these tiresome individuals often claim. it's like going to kazuo ishiguro for his political analysis because he's good at writing novels.''

Untitled, New Judge et al, you can go on about your prejudices especially about the ECHR, about having impregnable borders able to keep out the 'uninvited others' non-people as you see them. Please do carry on, you have set yourself up to be severely disappointed and will eventually die never having seen your dreams come true. As for davebro3, I am sure Sir Alan Sugar thinks the same about you.. ;O)