Brexit – Are You One Of The Deluded?

Hymie | 20:52 Fri 21st Mar 2025 | Society & Culture

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Sir Alan Sugar said Brexit is the biggest disaster in his whole lifetime; he also said that those people responsible for Brexit, based on lies should be in prison.

He went on to say that Brexit was a total absolute disaster and anyone who says it’s not is deluded.

The interviewer asked Alan what the thought it would take to get this country growing again – to which he replied; for the UK to get down on bended knees and beg to be allowed back in (to the EU). At this the interviewer said they didn’t associate him with begging – to which Alan responded; exactly that’s how bad it is.

Quite how anyone could think that Brexit is a success, when a prominent businessman’s view is that it is a total absolute disaster, is beyond me.

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Roobaba

i voted remain and i think brexit was a stupid idea.

Old_Geezer

Plainly not a 'good entity' that only has an ultimate aim of prosperity for the elite running it, and an attitude of blow the citizens of Europe, and help the part of Europe under their control only when it is beneficial to them, the elite. It is a federal block controlling those nations daft enough to relinquish their sovereignty and become members.

Hymie

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To Brexiteers, Brexit is sacrosanct and must never be undone – to them it is a cult. Anyone pointing out that it is an absolute total disaster must be ignored.

This is why we need an official impact assessment of Brexit, whilst economists have suggested figures in the order of £40 billion in lost tax revenue (every year), and a loss of over £100 billion p.a. to the economy due to Brexit – Brexiteers simply refuse to acknowledge any such losses.

With a clear impact assessment (including the facts on which the assessment was based) – we would at least have a reasonably reliable cost of Brexit. Although I admit the Brexit cultist would simply ignore this data (or claim it a price worth paying), after all voting to re-join would be undemocratic, and a betrayal of those who voted ‘leave’ in 2016.

ynnafymmi

Yes,Hymie,the English Tories,the Scottish SNPers,Johnson and Farage,Corbyn and Mick Lynch have a lot to answer for.I take it you dont support any of these bunch of numpties?

New Judge

"Untitled, New Judge et al, you can go on about your prejudices especially about the ECHR,..."

I have not mentioned any prejudice about the ECHR and since the ECHR has no direct connection with the EU (as I pointed out in my earlier answer) it is irrelevant to his question.

My aversion is towards the EU and all its institutions. It's not towards Europe; it's not towards Europeans; it's not towards individual European nations. It's not a prejudice; a prejudice is an opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience. I have acutal experience of the UK's membership of the EU. It left me with an intense dislike of that organisation and I'm glad I no longer have to experience it.

"...the EU which is plainly a 'good entity' which has the ultimate aim of prosperity for all the citizens of Europe,"

No it doesn't. It has the ultimate aim of a federal European entity with sovereign nations reduced to vassal states.

I wish you well with your globalist aspirations. For the sake of the rest of us, I hope they are not realised.

New Judge

"Brexiteers simply refuse to acknowledge any such losses."

You misunderstand. Brexiteers acknowledge that there is far more to a nation's soul than mere economic or financial concerns.

However, I have a sneaky suspicion we may have done this once or twice over the past nine years or so.

THECORBYLOON

ynnafymmi, if all the SNP supporters who voted had voted to remain in the EU, would the UK be in tbe EU still?

Hymie

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The whole point of the EU is an economic union, with the object of benefitting all member States – if a State wants to leave the group they are free to do so, but like the UK they must accept the economic cost of doing so.

At an estimated annual cost of £40 billion in lost tax revenue to the exchequer – that cost is extremely high (IMHO), with the current Labour government looking to make savings of £5 billion.

If I was in government, I’d know exactly how to significantly increase the government’s tax revenue.

But virtually no one in government does, merely saying that they will make the turd that Brexit is ‘work’.

newmodarmy

Hymie has got it wrong about the 40 million lost tax revenue or may be deliberately repeating an untruth.

https://fullfact.org/economy/tax-revenue-Brexit/

newmodarmy

^ typo 40 Billion

10ClarionSt

I've said this loads of times, and I'll say it again: I didn't vote in referendum bcause I thought it wouldn't make the slightest difference to us, the great unwashed, whether we were in, or out of the EU. I still think that. But I got the impression from people who voted to leave, that they did so because of immigration and all things related to it, without ever thinking about the business side of it.

davebro3

^^^^ I think you've been talking to a very limited selection of Leave voters 10 CS.

10ClarionSt

I don't think so dave. There was the issue of taking back control of our borders. I think that played a big part in it.

Roobaba

All I need say is.. to simply quote myself saying

"uninvited others' non-people as you see them"

That is the fundamental mindset of B'exit leave voters,
it's how they see things, distorted and contorted, it's
how Hitler converted 'rational people' into 'brainless
fascist citizens', who were complicit and enacted the
heinous crimes in the concentration camps of WW2.

As mentioned by 10ClarionSt 'I got the impression from people who voted to leave, that they did so because of immigration and all things related to it, without ever thinking about the business side of it.'

Exactly, that's the whole truth of the matter, we all now suffer economic hardships because of the closed minded leave voting anti-immigration 'sheep' that believed the lies (do I have to repeat this yet again, it becomes tiresome as do B'exit people).

My faith in the future of humanity and the long term survival of our species is first and foremost because of my unwaivering belief in H.G. Wells and his rational socialist world view. If you choose to understand I would simply request you take time to
read this (HGW wrote The Rights of Man the UN adopted it for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights)

https://renardpress.com/books/the-rights-of-man/

New Judge

Your Utopian dream is all well and good and it would be fine if it worked. Unfortunately it doesn't beacuse, as has been winessed here in the UK, there are large numbers of people wishing to "start a new life" which for them means asking quite a bit from those who have provided the facilities for their new life whilst giving little in return.

The end result of that will be more and more people contributing sod all whilst fewer and fewer people have to provide for their every need.

This is not a problem caused solely by immigration; there are plenty of home grown people doing sod all as well. But it's foolish to exacerbate the problem by allowing new arrivals to do the same.

The only immigration Brexit curtailed was the unfettered variety from tthe EU, where 450m people had the unconditional right to settle here. Anybody believing it would cure any other variety was an idiot. But there were plenty of those on both sides of the argument and you can't prevent idiots from voting.

davebro3

//Exactly, that's the whole truth of the matter//

It may be your truth but it's certainly not mine.

naomi24

Nor mine.

Untitled

i agree with much of what you say roobaba, but i do think we need to be pragmatic. i did not wish to leave the european union and was disappointed that this country voted to do so, but that particular fight is now over. attempting to rejoin now would in my view prove extremely divisive and cause significant harm to this country in the form of wasting time that is needed for more urgent problems. i also think the EU has benefited from our leaving and that the "European project" will do better without the UK on the inside at least for a while.