Now That The Courts Have Confirmed What Anyone With Any Sense Knew Anyway......

[ToraToraTora]

It it time to ban the use of the terms Transgender woman/man? They are not transgender they are basically dressing up and possible having spare part surgery so should we have better more accurate terms? Suggestions?

[roopower]

Its lovely how compassionate some people are on here. It certainly doesn't get any better

[johnny.5]

Fanny and Dick ?

[New Judge]

What it really is time to consider is to repeal the Gender Recognition Act.

There is no reason why the State should give credibility to an individual's fantasy.

[Barmaid]

Well the Supreme Court holds a very different view to you, TTT.  But I am sure you can think of some suitably unpleasant label which further dehumanises people who already have enough problems.

[Khandro]

I don't think they have denied 'transgender' people, (those who think they are 'in the wrong body') they will have protection in law like everyone else,  but the salient & sensible finding is that basically there are only males and females. 

[mushroom25]

will it stop non binaries campaigning for "X" status passports?

[jackthehat]

Non-binary is simply one in a long line of made-up genders. And should be paid massive amounts of absolutely no heed.

I don't mind calling a Transwoman a Transwoman, it's an accurate descriptor - I'll just never refer to one as a woman.

[naomi24]

I think it should be the other way around.   A man identifying as a woman should be regarded as a trans man.  

[Khandro]

Throughout history there have always been & always will be effeminate men, and 'butch' women.  I'd leave it at that -- and now we can.

[albaqwerty]

If they must be given a label, just call them transgender.

 

[ToraToraTora]

16:54 but they are not "transgender" that's not possible.

[ToraToraTora]

what about male/female-simulator?

[jackthehat]

I would argue that Transgender is possible; Transexual certainly isn't.

[Barmaid]

The SC gave their own dictionary at the beginning.  That is not to say that those terms have any legal force, but it was sensible to set out the terminology they used:-

"We are aware of the strength of feeling which has been generated by the disagreements between campaigners seeking to represent the interests of each of these groups and that taxonomy itself can generate controversy. We are content to draw on the terminology used by the Scottish Ministers in their written case for the purposes of this judgment and have adopted the following terms. A person who is a biological man, ie who was at birth of the male sex, but who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment is described as a “trans woman”. Similarly, a person who is a biological woman, ie who was at birth of the female sex, but who has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment is described as a “trans man”. We describe trans women and trans men who have obtained a gender recognition certificate (“GRC”) under the GRA 2004 as “trans women with a GRC” and “trans men with a GRC” respectively and their gender resulting from the GRC as their “acquired gender” or “acquired sex”."

[Old_Geezer]

Using the word "gender" as the psychlogical/psychiatric world does (as opposed to common usage as a synonym for sex) then to transgender one surely must have felt that one was one gender to start with, then changed one's mind/feeling to believe one was now the other gender.  Otherwise nothing has transformed/transited.

 

I suspect this is near impossible, barring a head injury or equally dramatic life incident.  After all, what could possibly cause such a mental switch part way through one's life ?

 

Either someone who is claiming to be transgender has always possessed a mind that was deluded and unable to accept the evidence of it's own eyes, or one is well aware of one's true gender, but having a desire to have been born the other, then decide to try to live as if one actually was the other, and claim this transgender concept in an effort to try to force others to capitulate and support one's fantasy.

 

I therefore suspect the concept of transgender is a false one and the word should fall out of use.  (Which probably means it is here to stay.)

[Khandro]

My dictionary defines 'queer' as;  a. Deviating from what is expected or normal; strange:

does that not fit the bill?

 

[ToraToraTora]

bit of a headache for the local authorities...

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1893756.html

 

[Khandro]

'It should never have required the highest court in the land to affirm that a man with a certificate cannot be a woman. But now that the Supreme Court verdict has been delivered, unanimously ruling that sex is defined by biology, the time has come to mount a decisive challenge to the sports governing bodies who continue to pretend that it is a matter of mere paperwork. For too long, this dangerous delusion has inflicted myriad outrages upon the nation’s women, from a male in the Cambridge University women’s Boat Race squad, to an all-male women’s pool final, to a 17-year-old girl finding herself banned from six football matches for asking a male opponent, “Are you a man?”

Such absurdities are highlighted in the summary of the court’s ruling in favour of For Women Scotland, describing how misinterpretations of the 2010 Equality Act have led to “incoherence and impracticability” in the “operations of provisions relating to women’s fair participation in sport”. The language is legalistic, but the message is stark, acknowledging the cowardice of the sports authorities who have permitted men to injure women and enter female changing rooms purely by producing a Gender Recognition Certificate that can be bought for £6.'