The Islamic Equivalent Of The Suffragettes?

[ToraToraTora]

https://news.sky.com/story/women-in-iran-increasingly-deciding-not-to-wear-headscarves-in-public-13354450

Good to see these courageous women that want to break free of the barbarism imposed on them. Lets hope this spreads across Iran and the wider Islamic world.

 

 

[barry1010]

They've not forgotten what life used to be like in Iran, it's not so long ago.

https://www.businessinsider.com/iran-before-the-revolution-in-photos-2015-4#reza-shah-attempted-to-make-religious-observation-subservient-to-the-state-8

[douglas9401]

Another Arab spring forecast? 🙄

[youngmafbog]

The State will clamp down, Starmer style or worse.

[brainiac]

...while more and more women in this country choose to wear them

[naomi24]

They're brave ladies.  I would like to see their sisters around the world support them by rejecting this ridiculous uniform once and for all - but they won't. 

 

[youngmafbog]

//while more and more women in this country choose to wear them//

I am not entirely sure that is true.  As a point (and I think I have mentioned on here before) the lady opposite us always wore one together with drab clothes.  Her husband left a few years back and suddenly the scarf and drab cloths went.  So it really didnt look like it was her choice.  We have imported men who think its the Middle ages and want to impose it here.  Luckily ladies like my neighbour dont put up with it.

[andy-hughes]

We constantly have debates on here where terms like 'barbarism' and 'savagery' and 'oppression' are bandied around.

And let ne say from the off, in the interests of not calling down the usual knee-jerk condemnation for offering an alternative view, let me say that, as a Western man, I do find aspects of other cultures to be oppressive and unsatisfactory to my way of thinking. 

But I do wonder if, as a culture, the West really has the moral right to force it's own systems onto others who disagree, and back up that force with either moral or military oppression?

The usual suspects on here raise holy hell at even a hint that anyone may be forcing other cultural behaviours and attitudes on us.

And yet we are perfectly happy to force our culture on others, because we believe it to be morally correct to do so.

Why is it not right for others to live as they wish, and be perceived to be trying to force their values on us, but we have problem doing exactly the same thing the other way. 

We award ourselves the moral high ground, and belief that we are 'right', but is that not open to question?

Do we have the moral right to force our views on others? And if we do, does that not give them equal rights to do the same?

To be clear, because by now the Self-righteous Brothers will have already lost the point I am entirely behind the culture I have been raised in, I merely offer the view that the notion of 'oppression' depends which end of the gun you are looking down. 

Incoming ....

[naomi24]

I don't see anyone forcing anyone to abandon the uniform.

[ToraToraTora]

come on andy we are talking about the brutal oppression of 50% of the followers of Islam. I don't care if it's their "culture" their culture is wrong. Slavery was once in our culture but I think most now see it for the barbarism that it is.

[fender62]

its a form of oppression to be covered head to toe in black or any other colour, but black seems to be the preferred choice, it's like these women are owned and know there place other wise become outcasts or worse, take honour killing for example or cousin marriage arranged marriage.. it's not healthy for the mind or body, it's all down to men with ancient mindsets.

[Old_Geezer]

Anyone who thinks their culture has superior points that they wish to debate, that's fine. However I think the suggestion that western culture is generally superior is supported, among other things, by the fact it a) can actually be debated here, and b) tends to be tolerated (too much if anything) here; indeed it tends to be protected more than western culture.

 

Also that which is disapproved of elsewhere has a tendancy to be banned, whereas in the opposite direction it tends to be tolerated unless there are practical reasons where a clash occurs anf priorities need to be specified.

 

Meanwhile, for sure, Iranians from the time of thd Shahs are going to recall, mostly fondly for obvious reasons, the culture they enjoyed prior to the Islamic invasion/take over. Little surprise protests occur, especially now the present regime is under pressure and Iranian's hope of it's demise is high.