Ships passenger indeces to US 1892

[noxlumos]

Hello, having problems tracing some passengers to the US who arrived there in 1892 from Ireland. I've tried Ellis Island who don't have them, but they are showing up on the US census 1901, 1921, 1931 and all the info on that agrees that they came to the US in 1892.Not naturalised.Hit a brick wall with them to be honest.Their details are as follows and they didn't necessarily arrive together as they already had male family there allegedly.
Margaret Doughty ( believed nee O' Leary) b. abt 1857 Ireland widow
Mary Agnes Doughty ( known as Agnes) b. August 1877 India.
Also looking for burial info on the same two.
Margaret died after 1931 Hoboken NJ ( Catholic)
Agnes married and her surname was Johnson at the time of her death in Paramus NJ about 1953.(Catholic)
Any suggestions or info greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

[dot.hawkes]

Did they perhaps have a military connection and so did not arrive as civilian immigrants but as part part of a military family? I only mention that because of the Indian birth.

Have you condidered spelling variations and whether they are acyually recorded as an alternative to Doughty? Accents and hearing changed many names .

[noxlumos]

Hi Dot, Yeah there was a military connection (Queen's own Hussars) but what happened was Margaret's husband (James) died whilst they were still in India about 1882, she was sent back to Ireland with the kiddies (8,4 and another one, age unknown) where she was destitute, so put the eldest lad into the Royal Hibernian School, a sort of orphanage for sons of deceased soldiers in Dublin and the 4 year old girl Agnes into a convent. She then went to the US allegedly firstly in about 1882 ( can't find her there then either) and then having made some money for herself came back for her children 10 years later. Agnes went back with her to the US and William, the lad, went to India with the army. He and his mother and sister never saw one another again and I have literally hundreds of broken hearted letters from her in her old age sent to him apologising for not having been able to support them and wishing she could see him again before she died, which she never did.
I've had a look for anything I can think of that may be confused with Doughty (Dody, o'Doherty, Doherty, Daughtye, you name it) but I've got a big fat blank and these two are my pet peeves as you might imagine.
Help me Dot!!! Lol.

[dot.hawkes]

have ytou checked the arrivals at Boston?

[dot.hawkes]

http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/OddBoston .htm

[noxlumos]

Thanks Dot, I hadn't checked Boston as there was a reference in one of the letters to arriving in New York so I honestly didn't bother.I did just search on your link on the offchance but I've had no joy with Boston either now but it's not a site I'd searched before, so thanks for the link.

[dot.hawkes]

Nox I just wondered if you had checked the New York Passenger lists for NY harbour arrivals as opposed to the channelled immigration point of disembarkation that was on Ellis island and controlled the immigrants. Your people may not have needed to use the assiisted passage system and therefore if they had travelled by ordinary passenger ship to NY they would not have gone through Ellis Island ar all.

http://www.archives.gov/northeast/nyc/finding- aids/immigration-microfilm.html

[DotH]

i did post a suggestion that you try New York harbour passenger lists as opposed to Ellis island, it will appear again tomorrow when the ed unzaps me lol

[noxlumos]

Thank you Dot, you're a love, I'll try that. Wonder why you keep getting zapped?Not funny, that.

[booboo67]

ancestry.co.uk are allowing free use of all us passenger lists until the end of november

[La Diva]

As you say they are not on the Ellis Island records, have you tried CastleGarden.org.

I understand that Ellis Island was the port for immigrants using the assisted passage system, but for anyone paying their own fare, the details are held at Castle Garden.

Please let us all know how you get on.