Revenge on Salvationists

[snotneck]

If the Salvation Army come round my pub selling the War Cry, is it all right for me to go round to their prayer meeting and collect for the pub trip?

[Theland]

I suppose if the proceeds were for you to take the underpriveleged on an outing, maybe they would dig deep and help out. Why don't you try it?

[wizard69]

Always gets me, christians believe that god is all powerfull and is willing to give if prayed to and yet they have to support themselves with donations (in the case of the S.A. from money given by non-believers).

[Theland]

The money raised by the SA is used to benefit any underpriveleged people, regardless of their beliefs or lack of beliefs ... as you well know.

[wizard69]

Granted Theland, but its strange that they believe in an all powerfull creator and yet still have to beg.

[Theland]

...... to beg people who "have" to spare a thought for the "have nots". What's wrong with that?
If God provided three squares a day at the drop of a prayer, people would flock to Him in droves, for the wrong reasons.
As in the New Testament, Jesus fed some people, and healed some people, but not all.
Why?
Because He was more concerned that their relationship with God was based on faith and obedience, not material things.
Faith and obedience involves sharing if we can, with those who have less than us. That helps establish Gods kingdom in the here and now, through acts of selflessness, as the SA do.

[jenstar]

Don't give us that "acts of selflessness" bulls*it. The Salvation Army preys on the vulnerable in the hope of indoctrinating them into their belief system. Making converts is not a sideline, it is their primary purpose. People in secular society really need to wake up to what a reprehensible bunch of scumbags the SA really are.

[naomi24]

Snotbag, No, it's not alright. Don't give to the Salvation Army. No one's forcing you. Let those who want to give, give, and you just carry on looking after number one.

[naomi24]

Jenstar, I don't know what you do - you might be the Angel of Mercy incarnate for all I know, but I have my doubts. You sound really angry. Have you had a bad experience with the Salvation Army? Why are you so derogatory?

I disagree with you entirely. I might not agree with their religious beliefs, but the Salvation Army does a lot of good work, which is more than can be said for many organisations - religious or not. They may go around with the collecting tin, but if you use a bit of logic, they have to get the funds from somewhere to do what they do, because in the real world we all know the Christian god isn't going to provide the money. If people didn't give, how else would the Salvation Army pay for shelters, the missing persons register, and all the other services they provide? How would you suggest they find the money? Even if they're only handing out soup to people sleeping on cardboard in shop doorways on a freezing winter night, the soup has to be bought, and I really don't think anyone can fault them for asking for money for that. At least they're out there caring for others - what are most of the rest of us doing? Absolutely nothing - because we're all wrapped up warmly in our beds after a good meal and a few hours in front of the fire watching TV!

I've worked with the Salvation Army countless times in my professional life, and they've always done all they could to help - without trying to convert anyone. I thank my lucky stars that I've never been in a position to need their help - but I'm very pleased they're around for those less fortunate who do need them.

[naomi24]

Snotneck - sorry I misread you're name and called you Snotbag! Wonder why?

[naomi24]

I spelt 'your' wrong too. Must try harder!

[paddywak]

Naomi is right whether you agree with their beliefs or not at least they are out there trying to do something not just standing about talking like most of us do

[Mammar]

jenstar ??
What on earth has happened to you that you feel it necessary to say such harsh things about an organisation that many hundreds of unfortunate individuals thank their lucky stars for?
I have come across many Salvationists in my lifetime and not once, I repeat, not once have they forced their beliefs at me.

[snotneck]

Lighten up, will you!
This is supposed to be a light-hearted question.
To which none of you have yet provided an answer.

[naomi24]

I have provided an answer - no, it's not alright.

[ne2]

No snotneck,it would'nt be right for you to interupt a prayer meeting just to ask for money for a "Jolly Boys Outing". The Salvation Army do a wealth of great things such as collecting funds for the homeless,food and clothing for those in hostel's, not to mention finding children or family member's who have left home. They do all they can to trace them for a very small fee. They traced one of my nephew's who had left home at the age of 16 leaving no forwarding address or lead's from his mates. He was gone for almost 2 years but the SA tracked him down. I've nothing but praise for them!

[luna-tic]

Aside from all the good they do- which is fantastic,
They've got a really swingin' brass section.

[naomi24]

I'm with you there Luna!!!!

[mandimoo]

snotneck - your question made ME smile anyway ;o)