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After desperate reshuffle, are Cameron's days numbered.
Tories are increasingly disillusioned with Cameron.
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Do you think he will still be the Conservative's leader at the next election?
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Do you think he will still be the Conservative's leader at the next election?
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Doesn't matter what "Tory Activists" think - it all depends on what Tory MPs think.
If they think they're in danger of loosing their seats they'll have him out as quick as IDS.
However right now he's upsetting traditional Tory voters but he's gaining overall in the polls, if they whip him out there's a good chance Brown would take advantage of the confusion to call an election.
If I were a Tory MP I'd not be in any hurry to ditch him right now, but he sure as heck isn't going to get a second bite of the cherry.
If they think they're in danger of loosing their seats they'll have him out as quick as IDS.
However right now he's upsetting traditional Tory voters but he's gaining overall in the polls, if they whip him out there's a good chance Brown would take advantage of the confusion to call an election.
If I were a Tory MP I'd not be in any hurry to ditch him right now, but he sure as heck isn't going to get a second bite of the cherry.
Some more great comments there too... Good grief!
Anyways... I would doubt it. I'm not sure that he's really raising the profile of the conservatives enough and as far as I can see labour still don't really have any major opposition from any party. Which frankly is a crying shame.
Personally I will don't think I'd ever vote for the conservative party but I do think a credible opposition always gives balance. And it means you have to think carefully about what policies you want to introduce and your reasons for doing so. A rational debate would also help the rest of the country see your motives rather than what usually ends up looking like a bad pantomine act. if Cameron can't come up with the goods then I think it's unlikely that he'll still be leader at the next election.
Anyways... I would doubt it. I'm not sure that he's really raising the profile of the conservatives enough and as far as I can see labour still don't really have any major opposition from any party. Which frankly is a crying shame.
Personally I will don't think I'd ever vote for the conservative party but I do think a credible opposition always gives balance. And it means you have to think carefully about what policies you want to introduce and your reasons for doing so. A rational debate would also help the rest of the country see your motives rather than what usually ends up looking like a bad pantomine act. if Cameron can't come up with the goods then I think it's unlikely that he'll still be leader at the next election.
Jake, I'm not sure Cameron is gaining overall in the polls. I think he's slipped back markedly in the last fortnight.
Two polls at the weekend has Labour ahead by 4% which, given that Labour are vying for a 4th term and we're in the middle of the parliamentary cycle, is surprising.
Cameron is obviously fairly electable to the wider public. It's the blue rinse Tebbit-lovers that make up the party's right-wing that are giving him grief.
Two polls at the weekend has Labour ahead by 4% which, given that Labour are vying for a 4th term and we're in the middle of the parliamentary cycle, is surprising.
Cameron is obviously fairly electable to the wider public. It's the blue rinse Tebbit-lovers that make up the party's right-wing that are giving him grief.
I like the line about those 'who deserted us in 1997..' nothing to do with them being a party full of scandal and corruption then...
It seems to me that the concerns stem from what I said earlier and that there is a lot of blurring of the lines. No real conservative party and not exactly a traditional labour party either. Perhaps if Gordon Brown leads a slightly more traditional labour party and makes changes in policies that reflect that we will see a more flourishing conservative party? I think that would distinguish the 'right' and the 'left' a bit more anyway. Just a thought.
It seems to me that the concerns stem from what I said earlier and that there is a lot of blurring of the lines. No real conservative party and not exactly a traditional labour party either. Perhaps if Gordon Brown leads a slightly more traditional labour party and makes changes in policies that reflect that we will see a more flourishing conservative party? I think that would distinguish the 'right' and the 'left' a bit more anyway. Just a thought.
Labours current 4% poll lead is not that surprising considering that Blairs gone and that with a new major party leader of any sort there's usually a honeymoon period with that party leader. The poll boost goes with the hype leading up to the change.
Cameron will very probably remain Tory leader until the next election because he is generally good on image and will continue to occupy roughly the same policy ground as Labour. Unless Cameron or Brown do something to materially change things policywise before the next election it'll probably be neck and neck at the next election.
Cameron will very probably remain Tory leader until the next election because he is generally good on image and will continue to occupy roughly the same policy ground as Labour. Unless Cameron or Brown do something to materially change things policywise before the next election it'll probably be neck and neck at the next election.
I thought I saw a poll with Cameron up 2% -maybe I dreamt it.
You hardly seem to be able to get a cigarette paper between the two nowadays on polls or policies.
Again those links show that traditional Tory papers and voters have the knives out but so what? Kensington and Chelsea would return a donkey if you stuck a blue rosette on it - it's all about the marginal seats and most importantly who in the parliamentry Tory party think they're going to lose their seat.
Changing the leader now would display indecision and a divided party and they'd get hammered for it at the polls.
On the other hand the Liberals have nothing to lose and everything to gain
You hardly seem to be able to get a cigarette paper between the two nowadays on polls or policies.
Again those links show that traditional Tory papers and voters have the knives out but so what? Kensington and Chelsea would return a donkey if you stuck a blue rosette on it - it's all about the marginal seats and most importantly who in the parliamentry Tory party think they're going to lose their seat.
Changing the leader now would display indecision and a divided party and they'd get hammered for it at the polls.
On the other hand the Liberals have nothing to lose and everything to gain
when was a party conference ever not stage-managed? Anyway, I don't think the shadow cabinet reshuffle was particularly desperate. A new government was chosen, and Cameron will sensibly want to arrange his own side to meet the new challenge. I think that would be a pretty standard response, though I can't quote historical precedent. Yes, short of coronary infarction, he will fight the next election, and probably the one after that. Who else have they got?
because they're running out of options, jake.They've tried old men and young men and young men who look like old men. They've tried occupying right field and far-right field and have now concluded from Labour's successes that you have to be in the middle ground. But if they dump Cameron after only 2-3 years in the job, where do they go from there? There doesn't seem any other demographic or any other part of the political spectrum to aim at, and there doesn't seem anyone else able to attract a storng personal following (granted that Cameron himself came from nowhere.) I think they're stuck with him at least until a new range of options comes up through the ranks.
Well, if I were forced to choose between David Cameron and William Hague, I'd select William Hague any day. Some might find him a bit of a blunt Yorkshireman but I like that directness in a politian. At least you know where you stand with him. . I'm very suspicious of spin and gloss, whichever political party is using it.
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