Is it time to bring back the boot camp?

[eyeshade]

Can we not have these "boot camps" back for the youngsters who mindlessly kill people/animals for the fun of it. A couple of years in a place where they have a a set of rules, bounderies and a purpose for once could make all the difference, break the rules and you pay the consequences. They would learn respect, team work and possibly some remorse. There is nothing in their lives these days to teach them respect, good heavents the parents don't even know how to behave! Surely mindless killing must stop before it goes too far. Smacked wrists and stints in prison are no good. What does anyone else think?

[4gottenabout]

I watched the news lastnight about that man being killed that tried stopping vandals hitting his car and the kids were all in background on estate making faces. They needed a good clip round the ear, do these kids not realise that if they kill someone that there life over and done with. They dont feel any remorse nowadays and its a big joke. I agree bring back some form of punishment, although my night in the AB dungeon lastnight was hell and the person I'm sharing with snores!

4getmenot xx

[cazzz1975]

why not bring back good ol parenting? I think the parents should be made to face the destruction caused by their kids, the kids should be made to repair the damage and the parents should be billed for the costs.

they would soon think twice about spray painting a wall if they had to clean it all off over and over again...

the parents would soon get fed up with stumping up payments for the destruction

[Octavius]

How would the boot camp be managed and what would they learn? How would a 2 year stint be structured? What sort of people would run it, and wouldn�t ruffians mix with other ruffians and continue the cycle of meeting up with a bad lot? But most of all, how will all this be funded?

[joanne713]

I personally think that any young offender should be shipped off to the army, so yes similar to boot camp, but i definitely think it would sort the little ******* out.

[Octavius]

Why should our professionally serving military volunteers be lumbered with the dregs of society?

[miffy63]

I think it's a great idea and I think that girls should be made to do it as well, though well away from the boys. It could be run by the army and compulsary for ages 16 to 18 yrs, it would need to be education based for those doing A levels, but they would all be made to learn manners and respect. It would give the kids structure and routine in their lives.

[Octavius]

Many of our serving soldiers might have been low-life criminals in their youth, but they have consciously decided to turn their lives around to better themselves and their careers by signing up. They have done this willingly, knowing that they could be posted anywhere in the world and return home in a box.

What use would some low-life dosser be in the British Army, and why should the lives of the professional volunteers be put a risk if they are standing in a fighting line next to someone who has been court-ordered to do their duty for the Queen and country they have little regard and no respect for?

[eyeshade]

Octavius in answer to some of your questions, in America, successful boot camps are already in progress albeit private ones however, the money that is spent on police time, asbos, staff to monitor this etc. could be spent elsewhere in putting these places in situ. Who's to say that a "branch" of the military service could not be set aside and yes there would be cost. What price do you put on someone's life? As taxpayers aren't we entitled to some sort of protection from these young murderers? There doesn't have to be hundreds of them all over the place but one to start off with and results monitored. Someone has to be responsible for the dregs, why not the military?
Parents will not be responsible because they are not responsible themselves. I also happen to believe that the low lifes that do go into the army and better themselves is as a direct result of the rules and boundaries that they know cannot be pushed in the army and that is precisely what this would be, to turn them around, not just punishment. I firmly believe that this is worth a try. I don't necessarily think that miffy wanted them then to go on to serve in the army.

[Octavius]

So are you advocating some sort of war games in a forest somewhere, where lots of boffins can look at clipboards and go �hmmm� and do lots and lots of public inquiries etc?? How about we even make a reality TV show out of it?? We could vote and everything?!

So back to my original question, what exactly would taxpayers money be spent on training them to do? Learn how to use guns more efficiently, or how to drive so joy-riding is less dangerous? What would they learn at bootcamp that would be different from school?

[eyeshade]

We'll leave the war games to the gangs who go around killing people shall we. Now don't be silly! They would learn from doing tasks set them by the organisers, that could be anything from shovelling sh@t to learning the basic of skills and repetitiveness. The better they got, the more they progressed to eventually learning something about themselves and other people but importantly to respect other people. Most of them think they are above the law and anyone so short sharp schock tactics and stripped of anything that gives them a yob identity and then they would have to conform the same as all the others. Your question on what would they learn that they aren't leaning at school. If they ever went to school in the first place, which some clearly haven't and if they did they can't have learnt anything. Do you honestly think these mindless murderers learnt anything at school??

[Octavius]

No, which is why I have very little faith in them learning anything from a task-driven boot camp. When you say tasks, do you mean like community service? If it is carrying out other little menial jobs, then what about the people who are employed and paid to do these jobs already, would they be made redundant?

[fbg40]

Lock 'em up and away the key !!! It's no good giving them life sentences, because life doesn't mean life. At the most they will probably serve 20 years - the victims don't get the choice. Sorry to be so blunt, but that's all these morons would understand. AAAAAAAAAAAAGH !!!!!!
FBG40

[eyeshade]

They would only progress to a community task if they have proven themselves to be trustworthy and responsible and then released. Sort of task I would give them would be mainly camp based but if it were in the community then removal of graffiti which would save the tax payer some money. You have to look at the results of the American camps, ok not all of them work but if you have 10 youngsters and 8 of them turn out ok and start to lead a normal life, go to college etc. it has to be better than a court appearance, telling them they're naughty, sending them to prison which is no more than a holiday camp with free lodging. What's worse is the loss of innocent lives of people trying to get by.

[Octavius]

So who will build these camps, and where would they go? I certainly wouldn�t want one near me. Also, would they be confined to the camp, as in a sort of prison set up or a holiday camp with free lodgings? Who would pay for their food and lodging, and would they be banned from forming gangs like in real prison? What about the specialist cleaning companies bought in to remove graffiti and dead bodies and stuff � would they go out of business? If they prove themselves and got �promoted� to graffiti cleaning, would that teach them a lesson, or do you think they might be unwittingly encouraged to prove themselves with their peers by other means?

[DC_FC]

Id like to see the boot camp back, id have the camps in a forest maybe away from housing estates, and have any chavs and any young hooligans be taken there to be taught discipline

[feelap]

I only have 2 words to say

'Battle Royale'

If you know these words, you will understand what Im on about