Glad to be of help, mountainboo. Just to finish up some people say "Childbirth is one pain the body forgets", but I can't remember if that was a man or a woman. I suppose there must be some truth in that as many women give more than once. Hope you don't mind male non-parental input, after all we get the easy part don't we. Just to avoid the bricks and stones I will get for answering as a man without children I do give blood, and am an Organ Donor, so we do really all care about you, mountainboo!