listener 3957

[tinammcmahon]

all our hard effort and this is what you get from the so called hardest crossword in the uk - absolute tosh

the way to finish the numerical crossword is to try and find a word that ends up being the female genital organs is absurd

i have never seen a solution to a crossword to be so ridiculous. Even help on this site said that we should not think so obscure. in the end we had to think of a word to that ends up being vulva!

the listener is getting pathetic

i am so fustrated this week. it is usually edited to perfection. i try and complete it every week but they come up with this nonsense

come on......................

[tinammcmahon]

and i have posted this on the high almighty crossword.org clicky listener posting site

sorry but the listener is getting too absurd, delete me off the site - i dont care

ask for some help for this weeks listener - i will oblige!

[Quizmonster]

Oh dear, ma'am...you're in danger of being made to join me on the Listenerites' 'naughty step'! I'll enjoy the company.

[cluelessJoe]

Sorry Tina but I don't realy understand your outrage over this particular crossword. So, the answer required you to encode / decode the biological term for a certain part of the body - so what? Maybe I'm coming from the wrong side of the gender gap to pass an unbiased opinion, but I can't imagine I would have been so outraged had the word been an acceptable term for the male genitalia.

I could understand your stance had the setter resorted to Lawrencian / Anglo Saxon terms which are found to be generally offensive, but sorry I see your coment as being overly puritanical. I really don't see how this word causes a crossword to cross the great divide into the realms of the ridiculous / tosh.

Sorry Tina, but I think that in this instance it is your post, not the listener which is absurd. Come on yourself - take a deep breath and get real.

- And Quizmonster, before you wade in again, I'm not blindly supporting the Listener as an institution here, I am defending the right of the crossword setter in general to use what ought to be a generally inoffensive term in the context of any well-constructed puzzle!

[Quizmonster]

You need never worry about my "wading in again" to Listenerly arguments, Joe. From henceforth I shall simply provide answers asked for - whenever I can - and, having done so, I shall ignore all "noises off".

[tinammcmahon]

the problem that got my back up (which i couldnt give 2 hoots about now) is that when at first i failed to get the answer i gave the mostly completed grid to my young maths students at school. so now i have to explain the answer. Not too much problem as it is not a derogatory term more an anatomical term. Could have been a good plug for the listener but now it appears silly to up and coming juniors.
What now annoys me even more is as i predicted they deleted my comment of the listener "i am too intellegent than anyone else as i find the listener easy" site. So go stuff the crossword......how is everyone getting on with this weeks? nice diagonal sequence of misprinted letters i see

[bunstance]

Hi Tina,

I can't see any reason why your comment (if it resembled the one at the top of this thread) should have been deleted at www.crossword.org.uk, unless you didn't supply a valid email address. (This latter rule seems to be pretty stricly enforced.)

Did your message appear on the board, and then disappear again? Or did it simply never appear? If the message never appeared, it would be the technology, not a moderator, that's to blame.

I must say that I don't agree with your objection to this puzzle (though can certainly sympathise much more after your last message). However I can't think why anyone would want to suppress your view.

If your comment was censored merely for its content, I would regard that as a bad decision by the moderator. But remember that it would be a single person's decision, and should not be taken as representative of the attitude of the community at that site.

[tinammcmahon]

oh yes appeared and then deleted off by the moderator

i prob agree now that i was very frustrated and perhaps a tad harsh to the listener in general

but i dont take back what i said for the reasons above

[bunstance]

Tina,

Well, in that case, and assuming you gave a valid email address, I think the moderator was wrong (not that my view counts for anything).

I found your objection incomprehensible at first, and even now I understand more about the situation, I still can't agree with it, but I can't understand why your view shouldn't be aired.

I'd like to think that if you email Derek Harrison, who runs crossword.org.uk, you will get a courteous response about what has happened.

[ichkeria]

To
"tinammcmahon"
Why don't you post the comment that was "censored" on here and let people judge it for themselves;.
Your objection to the puzzle seems to be that it included the word "VULVA". Furthermore you expected that somehow it could be edited out. I don't understand your problem, nor how it could be edited. It's unlikely that a puzzle containing that word would be published in the normal course of events, but given the brilliance of the construction and the fact that the "word" doesn't actually appear en clair in the solution, I think it would be churlish in the extreme to banish it on these grounds alone.
If the Listener offends you so much perhaps you should give up and try something less offensive, or maybe take a job with the Radio One Lyrics censorship department

[ichkeria]

Alternatively,
re-post your criticism worded in such a way as to be obviously beyond reproach. Posts without email addresses are automatically removed, unless they are obviously from a "regular" whose address is already known.
I must say I find the fact that you passed this puzzle to your students rather hilarious. I sincerely hope this was a maths and not an English class.