last nights news

[beatle3]

did others feel like i did,they using people with downs syndrome as suicide bombers.ya think people can't get lower then ya see this.wanted to vomit did anyone else feel the same

[Whickerman]

Yes. Just when you think human scum can't get any lower they prove you wrong.

[beatle3]

don't call them human. they lost that right

[bensmum]

Yes beatle I felt sick at the thought of this. These people have no respect for any form of human life - I cannot imagine what goes on in what passes for their brains.

[Theland]

When wilkl this country wake up to the muslim threat breeding in our midst?

[Theland]

"will"

[helpmetoo]

the germans were the enemy in ww2 and we didnt have to discriminate about who was a bad one and who wasnt, we just had to kill as many as possible for the sake of freedom,

the same applies to muslims now surely, they are a festering boil on the face of civilisation,

tough luck on the non extremists.... you shouldnt have joined the club

[WaldoMcFroog]

Helpmetoo, you are extremely ignorant. Of course the allies distinguished between 'good' and 'bad' Germans. If the object were simply to destroy as many Germans as possible, how come Dresden is a stand out autrocity? If your logic were correct, it would be indistinguishable from a whole host of other attacks on civilian populations. If your point is 'when they're pointing a gun at you, you don't differntiate' then I truly dispair. In other news, Pope turns out to be Catholic, bears poop in woods, sky revealed as blue.

Good to see Theland, the follower of the great and moral good, yet again sees 1.6 billion people as a homogenous group. Let's kill them all - yee ha - we like genocide, and God says it's acceptable too.

To answer the question more generally, I'm sorry, but how is this latest autrocity markedly more barbaric than when al Qaeda flew planes into the World Trade Centre? It isn't. It's equally barbaric, and anyone who thinks this indicates a particular lowering of moral standards seems to have missed how apalling 9/11 was in the first place.

[beatle3]

i think ya got me wrong waldo,9/11 was evil beyond anything i no even find words to descibe it.,for me this is more personel.most people even those with just mil of humanity who have special needs children have that thread that ties, understanding compassion you can to a degree walk in the others footsteps,as a parent.even the most fundermentaslist muslim has those feelings or so i thought..but i realize i was wrong.they just disposable assets and now they think women and the disavantaged are going to be used as suicide bombers.people can horrify shock sadden you as 9/11 did but i can't find the right word to descibe these cowards other than revolting.the 9/11 killers had a choise.something these girls never had...usually a muslim cleric or whatever comes on to the media condeming acts of barbery,they been quiet this time..,do they not feel any shame on there muslim brothers this is a worry ...someone gotta stand up for these voiceless nameless ones cos they just the first of many yet to come.these innocents are gonna be used as weapons to kill many (sorry i dyslexic)

[helpmetoo]

waldo
unfortunately dresden does stand out, a few more raids like that and millions of other lives would not have been lost,
ask the japanese, the americans didnt mess about in 1945,

call me ignorant if it makes you feel better,

right minded people despair of softies like you

[beatle3]

i think have to accept human life is just of no value religius politcal what ever.hitler polphot opposide side of political specrum but same ends both evil.We sit here in this country god knows what going on under our noses,goverment choosing not to acknowledge,what everyman see in the street every day,mr browne take his glass eye out abit more he might just get better view what going on in his own country.

[WaldoMcFroog]

You said:

"the germans were the enemy in ww2 and we didnt have to discriminate about who was a bad one and who wasnt, we just had to kill as many as possible for the sake of freedom"

And now you're agreeing with me that we did discriminate.

I take it back; you're not ignorant. You apparently just type things you don't mean.

[helpmetoo]

i dont agree that we discriminated, i believe we missed a lot of opportunities

[123everton]

Speer said 5 more Dresdens and the war is lost, it was awful what happened (our Russian allies asked us to bomb it as they thought reinforcements were coming through there) but it was part of a bombing stategy employed by both sides. One that is still used today, remember the "ethical" Robin Cook and Serbia? For a true perspective on the area bombing campaign read Churchill's speech "Growing Confidence" 1941. I in all honesty don't for one minute think we should criticise our forebears in WW2, they did what had to be done in order to win, if you still lack perspective (it's not hard to look up) see what Hitler had planned for Stalingrad when he captured it. His plans for the whole of Russia, whilst you're at it.
What worries me is the language on the fringes of both sides lead towards another "final solution" Islamic fundamentalism is just a new form of fascism, substitute "kuffar" for "jew" and "muslim" for "aryan" and in effect you have Nazism. In the same manner conspiracy theorists and their "Illuminati" is just anti-semitisms' new clothes.
To deny others their humanity (of whatever viewpoint) is wrong, judge the deed not the creed.

[WaldoMcFroog]

The interesting thing about the carpet bombing of civilian populations is that it was originally to have been one of the war crimes tried at Nuremberg, until it was pointed out we did it too.

So, that's how you determine what's a crime against humanity.

[123everton]

The interesting thing about viewing carpet bombing as a war crime is that it was the central plank of Gorrings' defence against the accusations surrounding the holocaust, in so much as the bombs (the 'A' bomb in particular) did'nt discriminate against women and children nor did the gas chambers. Bombs are'nt that much more accurate now than they were then, we still miss with alarming regularity, remember the Belgrade commuter train? Robin Cook did'nt seek to apologise (far from it) I dislike this modern penchant for Austro-German victimology, "totales krieg!" is what Goebells called for, and it's what he got...
You don't have to take my word for the validity of the air campaign (it's not difficult to look up) listen to Speer on the "World At War", at home politically it was the only front with which we could attack the Germans until 1942.
It does irk me a little, when with the benefit of more than 60 years of history people can decry the way we won the war, I fear you'd be singing a different tune if you lived through it. The bombing of cities like Warsaw, Liverpool, Coventry and Dresden etc are acts of war. Civilians die in wars (sadly they always have) but when civilians become a prime target rather than a collateral target it becomes abhorent, sucha the strafeing of civilian refugees in Poland, France and Belgium or even the bombing of Rotterdam when the I.R.A blew up Warrington I viewed it as a crime, when they killed soldiers I viewed it as attrition.
The war we're in now is different we are not fighting a sovreign country, but an ideology it's through fear in the civilian populous that they seek to win. We can't even negotiate a settlement with them, Spain has apparently intercepted another terrorist cell.